User talk:Hrishikes/Archive 1

Nil Durpan

Please let me add my welcome to the English Wikisource. I hope you enjoy your time with us. You will notice that I've adjusted a few things in this work's main page. This is only so as to standardise it with the way we've done other books. I note that you've created a category for the book. We don't usually do this (the exception being major reference works) because the Table of Contents (along with the next and previous links) does a better job of assisting navigation through a book. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:48, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I am new here, so I'll need some time to adjust in this milieu. However, I would like to make a few comments on your edit:

Translation, 1st ed., was published in 1861, but this is 3rd Indian ed. of the same, published in 1924. So, PD-old not applicable, I think. (This info given in Index & djvu pages.)

After your edit, Nil Durpan/Title page needs to be deleted.

You have not transcluded the 1st page of the book. I don't know about the necessity or otherwise of the 1st page in the mainspace in this case, but I'll abide by your decision.

Thanks once again. Feel free to advise, if you notice any error on my part. Hrishikes (talk) 07:38, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

With paragraphs, we don't use {{gap}} as a means to indent. In fact, we generally do not indent at all to mimic old works. The detail is explained at Wikisource:Style guide. I will run my bot through to clean them out where they start a paragraph. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Please don't force a font

Hi. One of our basic concepts is to let personal browser settings rule. So we don't force fonts except in a general sense, and where we change the size of a font, to replicate a work, we do it in a proportional means, not with a hard sense. The thing to remember is that we have to account for those who already put font sizes up, down, have a preferred font, or are using personal devices. All too hard to pre-judge, so we simply don't. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:04, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

You will also see that I am moving the chapters to arabic numerals rather than roman numerals, as that is our determined style. I have also converted the links to relative links, and removed year and portal, which generally are only used for the root of a work, and not for the subpages unless there is a specific difference. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:11, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Krishna Kanta's Will

I have done a little bit of cleanup and proofreading on this work.

The most important addition is that I have started a table of contents at Krishna Kanta's Will. There should be enough there that you can complete the table yourself as you create additional chapters and determine the page numbers. If you need help, please ask.

There are a few templates you might like to know about, especially {{small-caps}}, which makes the text "Krishna Kanta's Will" look like this: Krishna Kanta's Will. So, you don't need to insert {{smaller}} several times in the text. There is alos a shortcut for this template {{sc}} that works just as well.

I have also started a Category:Bengali literature that you might find useful. This is separate from Category:Works originally in Bengali, which simply tells the original language, but does not tell what kind of work it is; it might be a governments document, a scientific paper, etc. "Category:Bengali literature" does two extra things: (1) Lists the work in a subcategory of Category:Banglaesh so that it can be found when looking by country, (2) Identifies the work as literature (novel, play, poetry, etc.).

Thank you very much for adding literature translated from the Bengali language. These works can be very hard to find (in any language) outside of Asia. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:12, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you a lot. I really appreciate it. I am new here and gradually finding my way tumbling and stumbling. However, only Category:Bangladesh doesn't suffice here; the books I am currently working on were originally published in British India, all except Nil Durpan in Calcutta (now Kolkata), so these books come under Indian literature; Bangladesh was not yet in existence. Hrishikes (talk) 15:55, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

You can add them to Category:Indian literature as well. When country borders change, or when one ethnic group lives within the borders of another country, sometimes a single category does not work. There are, for example, works in Category:Italian literature that were written before 1861 when Italy became a country. This will be an even larger issue with works written in India, which is a much more diverse country with many languages and cultures. Feel free to list in two categories when both are appropriate. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:07, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Nice work

Good to see your work on Bankim Chandra and other authors--we simply don't have enough works by Bengali authors, leave alone other regional languages. Your work is much appreciated--thank you! :) Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld (ƒ=ma) 17:36, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you a lot. I'm grateful for the appreciation; I've started with Bankim mainly, but I intend to add other authors in future, if I can find PD translations. By the way, the work Durgesa Nandini contains Devnagari characters in some pages. Because of your knowledge of Hindi, I was wondering if you could lend a hand in proofreading it? Thanks again. Hrishikes (talk) 18:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

On it. I might be a bit busy due to real life (exams and the like) for a few days, but I'll do as much as I can. Which reminds me--if you have proofread a page completely, then feel free to mark that page as Proofread (the yellow button). On the other hand, a page needs to be marked as Not Proofread (red) only if you haven't finished proofreading it yet. (I dare say you know all this already!) Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld (ƒ=ma) 14:22, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Great!! Many thanks. No, I thought, the page-creator should not mark it as proofread; another one should. Now I'll do as you say. Hrishikes (talk) 14:50, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Regarding: Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help#TOC_with_Horizontal_Ellipses

Just a quick warning about {{dotted TOC page listing}}: this template is very flexible and produces beautiful variable-leader layouts as you have seen. However the price is rather high in terms of the complexity of processing the template so beware if you find you are using (say) hundreds of uses per chapter (unfortunately you have to estimate the results of recombining pages, so even if everything works fine at the proofreading/validation level it can still all go wrong later in the process!)

In short be aware that there can be pitfalls; and also be a little aware of the fact some editors really do not like this template at all. However if you are reasonably cautious my personal view is that the results speak for themselves (and of course if nobody used the thing there would be no incentive for its real or imagined performance shortcomings to be addressed.)

I hope this helps you to avoid at least a few (potential) future problems (i.e. Relax! it might never happen!) Regards, AuFCL (talk) 19:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, I'll watch my back continually!! Hrishikes (talk) 01:14, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Missing RunningHeaders on pages

Hrishikes, I was validating your good work when I noticed that most pages do not have a RunningHeader. I believe they are supposed to have the RunningHeaders on every page. I may be wrong since rules often change. You may want to ask someone else about this. I would have gladly validated many if not all of the pages with the RunningHeader showing. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 23:16, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

i.e.https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Poison_Tree.djvu/19

Started adding it. Will complete in time. Thanks. Hrishikes (talk) 01:13, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Hrishikes, would you be willing to finish up a the Chapters https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_La_California while I validate your Poison Tree book? There are not a lot to do but I don't know how to do them. Others have done most of them. —Maury (talk) 21:39, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand what you want exactly. This is a transcluded work, and all the pages have been validated. So what's left to do? Can you be more specific please? Hrishikes (talk) 01:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

It was completed by someone between the time I asked you here and when you saw it. —Maury (talk) 06:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hrishikes, yes, I remember my offer shown above.

Quote: It shows, "Hrishikes, would you be willing to finish up a the Chapters https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_La_California while I validate your Poison Tree book? There are not a lot to do but I don't know how to do them. Others have done most of them."

I don't understand what you want exactly. This is a transcluded work, and all the pages have been validated. So what's left to do? Can you be more specific please? Hrishikes (talk) 01:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

It was completed by someone between the time I asked you here and when you saw it. —Maury (talk) 06:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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In that conversation there was nothing for you left to do. Someone else had done what I wanted as stated above. I continued validating many of your Poison Tree pages even though the book I was working on was completed.

How about you transcluding my present work on WALL STREET IN HISTORY, https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:WALL_STREET_IN_HISTORY.djvu, while I do the validations on your Poison Tree book?

Please let me know one way or another. Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 15:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

You are giving me only high-competition jobs. I started doing your Wall Street work, but it got immediately taken over by someone else. So I refrained, to avoid edit conflict. Nearly the same occurred with your California work. I am a slow-goer, with a slow net connection. I cannot keep up with rat races. Hrishikes (talk) 06:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I was not aware anyone would take over in either of those situations. In both situatons I had asked only you as a "trade" because more often than not people don't take over and do those transclusions. Regardless of those two incidences, I have still been validating two of your works. You should be able to see the (green) validations on your "Watchlist" or in some other manner that you use. Thus far, the only thing I have given you is help by telling you where I find missing page numbers, doing validations and giving explanations. In that you have gained but lost nothing. Oh, to protect any of your work you can place {{in use}} at the top. Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Index:The New International Encyclopædia Vol 2.djvu

Thanks.

Any chance of doing a rename so it's consistent with the others in the set? Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 01.djvu bring the first.

It's easier to rename one file than 19 :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:04, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

No need to rename the index file, it's aligned with Commons. You can name the main title as you wish by editing the title option of the index file. Hrishikes (talk) 01:54, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I might seem like a third party weighing in, and forgive me if I might come across as rude, often just trying to figure out how to do some of these functions that I rarely dare to touch, like moving files and indexes. Wouldn't the purpose of renaming the page for consistency here be the same as on Commons, keeping all the slugs consistent and easy to find and organize? I guess the only current practical example is that all the "volumes" field links would need updating, or the page could simply (I imagine) be moved to fit what's already there? Since the file itself is now already moved, would I be able to simply rename the index myself without issue? (Of course these volumes lists should probably be templatized anyway I suppose, which is something I probably could figure out myself.) Thanks, djr13 (talk) 08:40, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I was going to do it, but found it already done by someone else!! Hrishikes (talk) 10:46, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah well thanks, still. :) djr13 (talk) 11:16, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Index:Researches on Irritability of Plants.djvu

1 page found to be missing 151, Do you know how to use DjVu Libre tools? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:37, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I shall search for and add the page. Hrishikes (talk) 17:59, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Done. Hrishikes (talk) 13:41, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Query on interwiki link style

This is by no means a criticism, however would you please be so kind as to allay my curiosity. I have noticed you tend to make wikipedia links (e.g. here) using the general form [[:w:link-reference|title]], whereas my own tendency would be to drop the null/default namespace leading colon and use [[w:link-reference|title]] instead.

To the best of my knowledge the two forms are equivalent, but if this is in fact not true (or there are any other advantages in using the fuller form) would you please let me know or point me toward a relevant reference? If this is simply a mental shorthand to avoid say category back-link generation I quite understand. AuFCL (talk) 00:18, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, this only reflects my lack of knowledge. I knew one style only and used it (I'm an occasional and not regular wiki-user, as mentioned in my user page.); now I'll use the colon-less style and see the result. Hrishikes (talk) 02:11, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Index:Comparative Electro-physiology.djvu

Courtesy notification. A work you intend to work on has some layout issues as noted on the Index page. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Done. Hrishikes (talk) 17:48, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Index:Proceedings of the Royal Society of London Vol 60.djvu

Hi, this is a courtesy notification. A work you intend to transcribe has missing pages as noted on the Index file. If possible it would be nice to have the complete work. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:58, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Now I am out of station. I'll see about the missing pages after a few days. You may ask some expert for OCR layer and watermark removal. Hrishikes (talk) 02:47, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Done Hrishikes (talk) 03:49, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

RunningHeaders

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Durgesa_Nandini.djvu/9&action=edit

Hrishikes, I see missing RunningHeaders and page numbers as I validate this work.

Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 18:42, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

/*Wall Street in History*/

Subject: Wall Street in History (book). The book has been transcluded, validated and appears to be correct. However, it is not correct and therefore not finished aka done.

contents - page 6

contents - page 7

Both of the above pages are not properly done. —Maury (talk) 18:56, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't here; didn't see this and haven't done anything. Happy-ish now? AuFCL (talk) 22:45, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

AuFCL, your work is always excellent. I learned that when we first met and I admire the quality of your work. Yes, tripple-de-do-daa, indeed, I am overly Happy-ish, Machus Gracious. —Maury (talk) 10:48, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Source of The Sunless City

Hi, thanks for getting started on one of my Wikisource wishlist items, The Sunless City. What is your source for the (science fiction?) novel? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 05:25, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I could not find any scanned copy; so I am adding it from here. Footnotes are from the 1997 edition, so I am using wikipedia links instead. You may take it up from here, if you so wish. Hrishikes (talk) 05:48, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi --Hitesh987 (talk) 06:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Upload

Hi, thanks a lot for the recent uploads. However I think you may be manually uploading the files to Commons, after downloading them to your computer. There is Help:IA-Upload to help regarding this, saves a lot of time and bytes. Solomon7968 (talk) 11:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

IA has extraneous pages at both ends. I prefer to remove them before uploading. Hrishikes (talk) 12:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I saw above you saying in a reply to Maury that you have a "slow net connection" so I thought you may not be aware of it, but I realise it’s a opposite situation.

Anyways can you take a look at Template:Eminent Scotsmen indexes (doc)? I think something similar could be done for the Rulers of India indexes to save maintenance trouble. Solomon7968 (talk) 13:43, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Very good point. I totally agree. Why don't you create the template, and I'll follow it in future uploads of the series. However, my connection is indeed slow, it takes long to upload anything. Hrishikes (talk) 15:28, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Hrishikes, what is it you want uploaded and what is the url? I have fast direct Internet connection. Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 04:51, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

@William Maury Morris II:, you may take over uploading the rest of the Rulers of India books, links on its talk page. Hrishikes (talk) 06:19, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Done Now up at Template:Rulers of India. Solomon7968 (talk) 10:53, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Intriguing

I am guessing you have already saw Author talk:Miriam Singleton Knight. But in case you haven’t please read the first and second URLs. We really should try contacting Judy Watten.<RayjudyW@aol.com> Solomon7968 (talk) 10:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Thinking further about this, I wonder if we can create an "outreach" page to try contact descendants/family members of notable authors. There is the obvious case of our very own Maury, descendant of the great Matthew Fontaine Maury. They may be interested in biographical works (say the Rulers of India series). Solomon7968 (talk) 05:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I think you're talking about a totally new scheme, which is suitable for discussion in scriptorium, for inputs from others. Hrishikes (talk) 05:18, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Index:Calcutta, Past and Present.djvu

I found a missing page (pp. 197), Time to check Hathi? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:43, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00:, What "Hathi"? Are u changing my name? About the missing page: it's still far off, I'll take care of it when I reach that spot by proofreading. But I'm not going to change the source file (it has an exemplary text layer), I'll just add the missing page as a separate file. Anyway, how's my work on that file? It was tagged as defective and seemed likely to remain as such indefinitely, so I had a go. Hrishikes (talk) 12:25, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

By, the Hathi at the end I meant the Hathi-Trust archive, which you've used in the past to patch files :)

I would strongly suggest patching the file rather than a seperate file for the missing page. - I can type up the missing page when you find a scan. :)

Haven't examind the proofreading in depth, but keep making progress.

I've also doing some pagelist checks on The Sacred Books of the East series.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't remember ever having used this Hathi-trust archive. Can u cite an example? I usually use IA, DLI and WBPubLibNet; occasionally other archives like GIPE, Bose Institute etc. This particular work is a highly notable one since the beginning: EB1911 cited it as reference in their article on Calcutta. Therefore, multiple sources exist online: I found 3 in IA and 2 in DLI (also here in Nook format). The problem is, I'm not adept in creating djvu file with text layer. Your missing page 197 can be found here. I want to complete the proofreading first, so there'll be no more need of any text layer. Then I'll substitute the source file with a corrected one, having all missing pages and images. Hrishikes (talk) 12:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Addendum: I'll appreciate if u can find the time to patch up the file, but not excluding the text layer. Hrishikes (talk) 13:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

My apologies, I seem to have you confused with someone else :( ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:51, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

In any case you might want to consider using - https://ia801408.us.archive.org/5/items/calcuttapastpres00blec/calcuttapastpres00blec_jp2.zip

to get the high quality images ;) Ask User:Rochefoucauld to assist you.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I've patched up the file.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:06, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

For future reference Hathi = http://www.hathitrust.org/ which has scans of books like Google/IA do. :)

@ShakespeareFan00: and @Kathleen.wright5: Thanks a lot to both of you for efforts on the Calcutta work.

For SF: I have checked the Hathi site. They have US access only as far as I could see. I have requested two works from their archive in Requested Texts here. Can you help? Thanks again. Hrishikes (talk) 01:51, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Same problem here, not US based :( ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 02:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I wonder if User:Beleg Tâl has access... You might consider asking them directly?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:43, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I've never heard of HathiTrust until just now—all the scans I've added are directly from Google Books. However, this looks like it could be useful/interesting —Beleg Tâl (talk) 03:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

@Beleg Tâl: in that case, may I trouble you for adding a sourced version of Anandamath? An earlier translation of 1906 is available here at the Carleton University link and also here. The wikisource version (1941 version) can be found here at Hathi trust and here. Hrishikes (talk) 03:59, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Um, none of those are available online. Google does not have a scan of it; the CU edition needs a CU library access credentials, and the HathiTrust version says "This item is not available online (Limited - search only) due to copyright restrictions." —Beleg Tâl (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Both versions scanless at Google? Anyway, thanks for trying. Hrishikes (talk) 07:42, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

@Beleg Tâl: what about the 1909 translation of the same work here, here and here? Is it downloadable? Hrishikes (talk) 01:32, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Those do not have scans either. If there were scans, they would be readable on the pages you linked. However, Google retuned zero results with scans for Anandamath, Dawn over India, or Abbey of Bliss. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: I have already added the two works: Index:Chandra Shekhar.djvu and Index:Sitaram (1903).djvu and you have already page-checked. I am resourceful, you know Hrishikes (talk) 02:59, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

@Beleg Tâl:, @ShakespeareFan00:, @Kathleen.wright5:, Sorry to jump in on this conversation but your page popped up when I was searching. I added a translation of The Abbey of Bliss to the Internet Archive and then to WS. Due to Indian copyright law, it's still under copyright until 60 years after an(y) author's death there. The translator died in 1964. However, it's not under copyright in the United States as it was published in 1906, so I uploaded it directly to English Wikisource. (transcription project) The Haz _talk 20:32, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

@Hazmat2: great achievement! Many thanks. Hrishikes (talk) 05:33, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header template

Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:

• Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag {{header with {{header/sandbox and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Scriptorium revert

It wasn't vandalism, just someone unfamiliar with how to edit a section. The user made a meaningful comment, just deleted the section where he was trying to add it. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Political State of Europe

Fantastic! Thanks! --Andreas Philopater (talk) 14:37, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

A Wikivoyage request

I sort of got roped into helping out on a tounge-in-cheek article at Wikivoyage:Joke_articles/Time_travel.

You seem to have better knowledge of Indic languages than me, so it got me wondering if you are able to help counter the Anglo-centric bias, either by direct contribution or liaising with relevant wikiprojects on other wikis. India had IIRC a quite extensive pre Raj culture dating back centuries, which a travel guide should reasonably cover. At the very least some feedback on the Talk page would be appreciated.

The intent was that alongside the topey genre references, there should be some actual historical content, that would allow the article (or sub articles given it's length) that would enable the article to be used an education resource even though it's tounge in cheek ( think of it like an Adult version of Horrible Histories if you encountered that book series.)..

Thanks in advance ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 01:06, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Feedback given at voy:Wikivoyage talk:Joke articles/Time travel#Time travel for serious people

Hrishikes (talk) 03:32, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Something you might like

https://archive.org/details/Sci-fiRadio - Wall of Darkness especially, Did Aurthur C Clarke know of Ancient works? The adaptation draws a lot from them. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:19, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Do you have a specific ancient work in mind? As far as I know, this story is based on geometry, w:Möbius strip-type. The philosophical concept, that one needs to make the journey into the Great Unknown alone, has ancient parallels of course, but I am unaware about any ancient corollary to the geometric concept. Hrishikes (talk) 14:19, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

I didn't have a specific work in mind. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:21, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Anandamath moves

Hi, I've mass moved the remaining subpages for you. If you do neeed to a mass move again, let me or one of the other admins know and we can do it for you (up to 100 subpages). We can also suppress the redirects as well. I really must download the ePub versions of some of the books you're working on so that I can read them on my commute. Best, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:35, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

OK, thanks a lot. Hrishikes (talk) 09:18, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

q:Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay

Hello Hrishikes, thank you very much for expanding the presentation of authors from India here! I started reading Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay and started a Wikiquote page in consequence, but time limitations do not let me populate it with more quotes. So, in case you have memorable quotes, please feel free to add them to the page. Thank you for your good works, Tar-ba-gan (talk) 08:41, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I have done a little editing to your page; shall contribute more (at least, intend to) in future. Hrishikes (talk) 12:49, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Bengali 'Special Characters'

Hello.

I know this is not quite the solution you were looking for at Wikisource:Scriptorium#CharInsert_request but at least on a personal level it might (I hope?) come fairly close.

If you copy the content of my User:AuFCL/common.js to your own Special:mypage/common.js (which currently does not exist); after saving the result future edit sessions ought to have a 'Bengali' section under 'Special characters'.

Being unfamiliar with the script I hope I haven't missed or repeated any characters (please check and amend as you see fit); and I simply do not know how to reposition the new character block so that it appears higher on the list (currently for me it is at the bottom, under 'Khmer'!)

I have asked a few questions on your behalf as to these defects but am yet to receive a response. Obviously this is only a "quick fix" pending proper installation.

Finally, later on to restore your Special:mypage/common.js to normal after all of this is finalised simply delete the lines between // <nowiki> and // </nowiki>and once more global settings should be operational. Good Luck! AuFCL (talk) 03:25, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Just a reminder now that the Bangla character set changes appear to have finally trickled through the system (wasn't that painful? Have you checked all is working to your satisfaction?) it is time to consider removing the temporary changes I suggested so long ago to your javascript configuration file. AuFCL (talk) 21:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@AuFCL:Yes, the changes are working, but it took long. I am lazy about the js file. Let it be. Regards, Hrishikes (talk) 01:24, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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@AuFCL: I'll do it and give you feedback, many thanks. But it should be a general solution, for all users. Anyway, meanwhile, may I pick your brains for the page Indian Copyright Act (3rd Amendment) 1992? The placement of the second left sidenote and the associated paragraph is wrong. Hrishikes (talk) 04:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I quite agree regarding this being only a temporary solution. I should not have been so mysterious about those outstanding questions which I hope evince the "correct" solution. I am sure you will not be surprised who I asked! User_talk:George_Orwell_III#How_to_.28globally.29_customise_wikiEditor.3F. My internet connection is doing a "go slow" so I shall look at the sidenote shortly… AuFCL (talk) 06:10, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

O.K. now? I am beginning to heartily hate the sidenotes templates. They make the easy so very, very hard! The real problem with the overlapping sidenotes amounts to the lack of a CSS clear:left directive from the floating elements (being the sidenotes themselves. Oh and clear:right for the right-hand ones.) However, will those damn templates allow you to specify this? Ha! So I gave up on the "proper" approach and you see the results of the "dumb" approach. AuFCL (talk) 07:35, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

@AuFCL: Yes, got the Bengali set. Thanks, o master! Hrishikes (talk) 04:14, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Good to hear. I understand you now have two sets to choose from! AuFCL (talk) 07:35, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks on both counts. The sidenotes were a pain in the you-know-what, I understand; however, this particular amendment of Indian copyright is important for English Wikisource: works by Premchand, Sarat Chandra, J. C. Bose and the like, who died before 1941, are PD-US under para 3 of this amendment. Hrishikes (talk) 07:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your very kind words. Two points: I keep hearing rumours that sidenotes are overdue for a major overhaul. Maybe one day that might actually become true: not sure whether that means pain or bliss so we will all have to wait and see.

The other is: on the wikiEditor front I am very far from being any kind of master: in fact I consider when it comes to the jQuery interface all this stuff uses I am barely cut-and-paste standard. I am just hoping somebody will have the decency to keep us (both) informed as to how the problem will eventually be resolved (if indeed it is properly resolved, of course.) AuFCL (talk) 08:16, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Some Background Education

It is probably a bit late to start asking such fundamental questions. However please pardon the fact I am starting from a state of ignorance, and also if what I am about to ask proves controversial as it is certainly not my intent to offend!

• What is the correct terminology in your view: should the symbol set be referred to as "Bengali"?
• Is "Bangla" as existing in the "Special characters" drop-down supposed to be the same set (or simply another classification?) and which is the preferred term "Bangla"/"Bengali" or should these two not be confused/used interchangeably?
• I note the UNICODE set calls the corresponding block "Bengali" but only includes 60 glyphs. Is this misleading or an irrelevancy?

Thank you. AuFCL (talk) 10:13, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

@AuFCL: "Bangla" is the native form, as in "Bangladesh", "Bengali" is the anglicised form. Currently Bangla seems to be the more politically correct term (compare Negro and African American). As for unicode glyphs, the ones proposed by me are unicode only, is it not? Hrishikes (talk) 12:03, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

More details:

1. For the land: Bangla or Banga in native, Bengal in English (general term; specifically, East Bengal now known as Bangladesh; West Bengal known as such in English and as Paschim Banga/Bangla in native.
2. For the language: Bangla in native, Bengali in English.
3. For the people: Bangali in native, Bengalee in English (these days spelled as the language).

Hrishikes (talk) 12:12, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again. Much clearer. (Apologies for my "ignorant foreigner" status/attitude/approach.) AuFCL (talk) 22:01, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

@AuFCL: Your comment about 60 glyphs not yet clear to me. The block given at w:Bengali (Unicode block) shows much more than 60 glyphs. Sorry for my ignorance about technical matters, but can you please explain the matter of 60? Hrishikes (talk) 02:01, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Oops. My error. Please ignore the reference to 60 (I was consulting out of date documentation: the Unicode 6.1.0 database lays out 60 glyphs grouped into the 'Bengali' block.) The WikiPedia page you quoted is based upon the Unicode 7.0 set and obviously includes quite a few more characters than the older specification. Apologies for misleading you. (A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing?) AuFCL (talk) 04:47, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Zwnj

@AuFCL: As your talk page is defunct, I am using mine. The latest edit to your json page does not look proper to me. The syntax for zwj and zwnj differs from that used for Arabic. Can you please take a look? Hrishikes (talk) 07:51, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I just edited that page in line with (what I believe are) Nasirkhan's suggestions, so is it right now? (Regarding the comparison with Arabic I deliberately changed the case of the symbol-title to distinguish it from the existing instance... I was hoping to provoke a reaction if this matter is really important to anybody!) AuFCL (talk) 08:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@AuFCL: The letter case does not matter to me but I don't know whether it is technically important. The characters themselves can be taken from Arabic, I believe? Hrishikes (talk) 08:32, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

NB: Nasir did not add "ৗ", he changed its order. He added the compound form ্র (্ + র). The character is known as ra-phala. Previously he had added another compound form, ্য (্ + য) known as ya-phala. He wants these phalas to be separately displayed in the character set, it seems. Hrishikes (talk) 08:45, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Pardon slow response (I've had a couple of distractions.)

• First: Krenair still has not even confirmed this (JSON) format really is what he expects us to provide.
• Second: For some reason Nasir specified ZWJ before ZWNJ, whereas Arabic and Unicode imply the opposite ordering. I may have misunderstood his intentions?
• Third: What idiot designs a control table 10,000+ characters long on a single line when it is not even necessary (if it really is real JSON; or is it merely pretending to be JSON and not parsed according to the normal rules? Am I being paranoid?) How can we be sure we are not accidentally messing up something we don't even want to touch, like 'Devanagari'? Difference checks/version control won't save us as everything changes on line 1.
• Fourth: Cutting and pasting from the Arabic section might work; but if you cannot read the result it is not a very satisfactory process and none of us can really validate what we cannot see. This is part of what I was trying to provoke by coding "\u200C" for ZWNJ.

As you can tell I have a considerable number of doubts and concerns regarding this process, and frankly deliberately introducing a few unimportant deliberate "mistakes" is the only way I can tell if anybody else is checking. Irresponsible, perhaps?

Now you have one of two possible responses: either tell me not to be so silly; or become infected by my craziness as well. Your choice! (Obviously I don't want to make you crazy…) AuFCL (talk) 09:24, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@AuFCL: I think Nasir just inserted the zwj without specifying the order. The order should be as per normal protocol. As the unicode and hexadecimal designations of zwj and zwnj are font-non-specific, it should be possible to lift them from Arabic. If these did not work for Arabic, Arabic-users must have pointed it out by now. An Arabic-knowing editor from the concerned list here may be asked, I think. Plus, I am already crazy, as you can already guess from my constant activity here, so you cannot make me more. Hrishikes (talk) 09:40, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Terribly kind of you to say so (regarding the crazy.)

As for my doubts as to whether the format is "true" JSON: if it is then the single line may be broken arbitrarily at every comma outside quotes. Which begs the question: if such organisation is permissible then why has it not been so organised? The whole situation strikes me it was only ever intended to store up to a dozen or so characters, but is now catering for thousands.

Regarding whether the Arabic still works, don't forget we have no way of testing this particular file before some developer uses it to regenerate a new incarnation of mediawiki, so we cannot tell if the Arabic section is currently undamaged despite all care to preserve it unchanged, can we? (This is also the danger of everything appearing on the same line.) Now I'm not suggesting anybody is so irresponsible as to implement our suggestions without checking; but remember we have just effectively inserted ourselves into the chain-of-blame, so it won't be entirely their fault either. (Gloomy aren't I? Also as I explained earlier I want to leave that "\u200D" and "\u200C" in place for as long as possible to make that one point.)

I shall be busy elsewhere for the bulk of tomorrow, so if you want to make a final reorganisation please go ahead (after all you are the expert here; my rôle is strictly personal unqualified technical support!) Please also bear in mind somebody will probably have to cut-and-paste the final version directly into Phabricator (I suggest waiting for a response by or on behalf of Krenair before performing that particular step.)

I hope all this makes at least a modicum of sense. AuFCL (talk) 10:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations! So far as I am able to check it your submission of Bangla.json at Phabricator looks as good as possible given our limited ability to pre-verify it. In point of detail my "checking" only amounted to a visual inspection that the JSON layout still "looks" reasonable, and that various binary components seem to be intact. (Not by any means as reliable or comprehensive as I might have liked to be able to perform.)

Please accept my apologies for being unavailable for the last (almost) day but it looks to me like you have done everything possible. (I wish we had received some feedback from Krenair; and in point of detail the file name being replaced is "specialcharacters.json" but also remember my philosophy of "deliberate accidental unimportant faults" keep the checkers keen.) Now all we can do is wait and see and react to any complaints or recommendations forthcoming.

In short win or lose I expect we shall learn something which will make "next time" a little bit easier, perhaps? AuFCL (talk) 07:56, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@AuFCL: Thanks. I did as far as possible per my limited technical ability. I'll re-upload with changed filename if Krenair demands. I have added zws (which is part of the zw set) and curly quotes (used in Bengali Wikisource). Now nothing to do but wait & see. Hrishikes (talk) 08:07, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@George Orwell III, @AuFCL: Mission accomplished, it appears, as per here. Thanks a lot for your help. Hrishikes (talk) 17:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Interview for the Signpost

The way it is generally set up is that the interview questions are posted, with the responders filling in their answers below. The questions are available at w:User:John Carter/Wikisource column. If you have a global account, feel free to answer there. If you don't, than I am posting a duplicate at User:John Carter/Wikisource column, and you can use your account here to answer the questions on that page. Thank you for showing an interest. John Carter (talk) 14:27, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

@John Carter: I have made some answers at the WP page. But I think that questions in an interview should be tailor-made to suit the interviewee. So if you could analyse my contributions here and pose specific questions to me related to my area of interest, that would perhaps lead to a better outcome. You may get an outline of my interest from my user page and Userbox page. I am not competent or confident about answering general questions about WS, because my experience here is quite limited. Best wishes, Hrishikes (talk) 15:21, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

My doubts about info in your edit.

Hi,

Please do refer to your recent edits to Indian Copyright Law. Your statement states >> " This law, as it now stands, with all amendments and references, is officially available at http://copyright.gov.in/documents/copyrightrules1957.pdf. "<< . Prima facia does your statement mean that 2012 amendments are taken care of in http://copyright.gov.in/documents/copyrightrules1957.pdf. this document ? Although it is most official website supposed to give most updated info but sincerely I doubt the facts and request you to revisit the facts while actually checking amendments of 2012 in the said copyright office link. On their PDF document browser search (I use firefox) works well enough and one can search easily for amendment years upto 1999 but i failed to see any results for 2012. As such I had visited their PDF documents several times since 2012 amendments were accepted by the rajysabha. Still, today once again I visited and for an example, I checked for 'section 78 subsection 2 clause' (a) after 2012 amendment it is supposed to have a substitution which we have incorporated in Indian Copyright Law article but copyright office PDF link given by your goodselves does not show the same changes.

The fact is if http://copyright.gov.in/documents/copyrightrules1957.pdf. this link would have included 2012 amendments, I would not have taken all the pain to update the document on en wikisource. and that is why I want some one to check changes made by me are correct or not.

If the 2012 amendment has been signed by president of India then that is supposed to be incorporated. Since it has been gazzetted and 2013 govt rules have been passed there after so I am under presumption that 2012 amendments are signed by the president of India. Please correct me if the facts are different.

As of now I would like to contest your statement Your statement states >> " This law, as it now stands, with all amendments and references, is officially available at http://copyright.gov.in/documents/copyrightrules1957.pdf. "<< . and request a revisit to the same (ofcourse please do correct me wherever I am wrong) .

Thanks again for your supportive efforts for the article. and warm regards

Mahitgar (talk) 11:46, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mahitgar: I am now en route to Nepal on earthquake relief. In the meantime, please feel free to re-edit the copyright law page as you feel justified. I think your recreation of latest updated law amounts to original Wikisource creation and should be presented separately in the manner of Meghnad Saha's translation of Minkowski, that is, the law comprising of the acts and the rules should be transcribed and transcluded from scans and the Wikisource updated version should be maintained separately (not as recreation of some external document but as original Wikisource creation based on multiple external documents). As for presidential assent, no law is a law and cannot be published in the Gazette till receipt of the assent. The 2012 amendment received assent on June 7, 2012 as clearly mentioned at the beginning of Index:Indian Copyright Act (6th Amendment) 2012.djvu. With regards, Hrishikes (talk) 02:56, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

A Sheaf Gleaned in French Fields

Hi, I hope I wasn't stepping on any toes when I did this? Feel free to undo/delete/remove as you see fit. :) Best regards as always,—C. F. 21:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. Hrishikes (talk) 05:20, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Volume 1

[1] is an interesting find. The naming convention seems to have no connection to the djvu page numbers. Nevertheless I have prepped and ready for upload. Is that OK or are you planning on doing that? Moondyne (talk) 12:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

You are welcome to upload. Proofreading can also be done by copy-pasting from Gutenberg instead of correcting the OCR Hrishikes (talk) 14:48, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Peer review and document improvement request

This is a Peer review request to seek broader input to improve page: meta:Help:Form I & Affidavit (Customised for reliqushment of copyright as per 'free cultural work' definition) an option available under (Indian) Copyright act 1957 rules.

Rgds. Mahitgar (talk) 02:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Index:The English Works of Raja Rammohun Roy Vol 2.djvu

The concern here was seemingly duplicated title pages...

On the Google sourced volume, I've taken on board what you said, pagelist it can be progressed, any illegible pages as you say can be remieded during the proofreading stage. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:41, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Index:The Principles of Hindu Law Vol 1.djvu

This is a note to say that a work you recently uploaded appears to have duplicate pagescans identifed as !!<pagenum>!! on the index pagelist.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:15, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Index:The Modern Review, July To December 1917.djvu

This is a note that a work you upload recently may have missing pages (between the page numbers marked in blue and white)ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Added the pages. Please review the pagelist. Hrishikes (talk) 02:18, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Have now fully identied lacunae(?) in this document ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:01, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Index:The Fauna of British India, including Ceylon and Burma (Butterflies Vol 1).djvu

Courtesy note to suggest you do a scan check on the above- I found 2 out of place pages.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:33, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Those two pages are extra; checked from the DLI version here. Hrishikes (talk) 16:16, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, first thank you for showing the courage to start uploading this massive series. However if you start transcription of more volumes of this series, I strongly recommend you link them from the Wikipedia article w:The Fauna of British India, including Ceylon and Burma. This helps the other side (Wikipedians) to know of this side (Wikisource). In particular, I notice that the primary contributor of the Wikipedia article has also contributed here (Shyamal (talk • contribs)). I have been linking the transcription projects started by you in pages such as w:Rulers of India series and w:Bibliography of India. Again thank you for starting this indexes. Solomon7968 (talk) 11:34, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Solomon7968: Thanks. I plan to upload more works listed in w:Bibliography of India. I have kept some works in Portal:Bengal and Portal:Calcutta, you may review to see if any is suitable for Portal:India. Hrishikes (talk) 14:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I also further suggest linking the indexes with the respective author/editor pages on WP. I linked your Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan indexes with the Wikipedia article on James Tod. Solomon7968 (talk) 11:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Index:The History of Bengal 1.djvu

Where exactly are these missing from? The numbering doesn't to me make sense.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:01, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: this is 1903 edition, so the page numbers do not match with the 1813 edition. Now I have added the missing pages to the main file, but why are you still keeping it marked as defective? Hrishikes (talk) 14:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Page:The Surgical Instruments of the Hindus Vol 1.djvu/40

The OCR seems off by one page from this point. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:07, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: I have seen the problem, but I don't know the solution. Hrishikes (talk) 14:19, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Pagelists

Can you do some checking on your recent uploads as I am unable to keep up with your pace? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

The Mythology of All Races

You've uploaded what you can find... The full-set is 13 volumes...

Suggest making a "grouped work" template for these, like you did with Rulers of India. Thanks :) 20:54, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Other volumes are post-1923 and cannot be hosted here. It is not that I cannot find them. For example:

• Vol 2 (Eddic) (1930) by John Arnott MacCulloch DLI
• Vol 4 (Finno-Ugric and Siberian) (1927) by Uno Holmberg DLI
• Vol 5 (Semitic) (1931) by Stephen Herbert Langdon DLI
• Vol 7 (Armenian and African) (1925) by Mardiros Harootioon Ananikian and Alice Werner DLI (Armenian portion separately available: Internet Archive identifier: ArmenianMythology)
• Vol 13 (Complete Index) (1932) by A. Marshall Jones DLI

Hrishikes (talk) 02:09, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:45, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

FYI, I have started the Wikipedia article w:The Mythology of All Races. Solomon7968 (talk) 15:47, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

@Solomon7968: Thanks. WS links could also be given. Hrishikes (talk) 16:32, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Index:Views in India, chiefly among the Himalaya Mountains.djvu

Transcribed.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:28, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Please review the pagelist. Checked from Google Books version here. Hrishikes (talk) 07:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Yep it's missing... Bother , needs an admin to re-align it when the new version is up.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Corrected the file. Hrishikes (talk) 08:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Moved page contents, now pages are aligned with scans. I have not tampered with your edits, so if you get the time, please mark the pages as proofread again, so that your proofreading history is kept intact. Hrishikes (talk) 05:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Books

"I need two things from Hathi Trust: (1) Images from this work; (2) Another work by the same author here. I shall be grateful if you can provide these. Hrishikes (talk) 04:35, 5 August 2015 (UTC)"

Hrishikes, every image in each book, is as bad as the one you already have from Internet Archives. I looked at them all. I myself am not allowed to download that 2nd book you have mentioned. Hathi Trust has partnerships with colleges, businesses, and agreements with Libraries. In that it does not let people outside of that range download full .pdf files. Too, the one downloadable to people of other institutions is messed up by Google and University watermarks in important places and on every page even if I could download the full file. This is done on purpose. We on Wikisourse have often tried to get around these things but cannot. Sometimes a book is free to everyone but not often. I would have gladly helped you if I could which is why I offered. I dislike the barriers and I feel that such knowledge should be free to everyone but scanning costs money and thus it becomes business deals and partnerships. I regret it has to be that way. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 16:51, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

OK, thanks for trying. Hrishikes (talk) 17:22, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

VIAF now redundant locally, plus ...

There is no requirement to enter VIAF data locally at enWS, it is all pulled from Wikidata these days. If you wish to add it, it is preferable that you add it at Wikidata.

With relation to Arthur Marks, your assertion was not correct. If you have a look at VIAF I doubt that the author of these works is the same as the author at enWS; different era, different genre. One has to be extremely diligent with commons names, and where no dates of life are shown, to the point of checking the VIAF system for the data recorded. If there is uncertainty, then it is probably better to not add a link, especially as they simply may not have a record there. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:16, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Page:Parsons How to Know the Ferns 7th ed.djvu/138?

I saw your experiments. I really don't know what is expected, as the page keeps getting tagged Problematic even when the results look reasonable to me. No doubt if we wait all will become clear (or at least clear-er?) AuFCL (talk) 06:01, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

@AuFCL: I didn't remove the "problematic" tag because I also don't know whether my edits are going to be reverted or not. Hrishikes (talk) 06:26, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I like your latest effort. I hope you do not mind the further tweakage (if that is actually a word?) AuFCL (talk) 02:55, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

@AuFCL: That was really excellent, your tweakage, I mean. Hrishikes (talk) 02:57, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

@AuFCL: N.B. The first portion of the embedded text has disappeared on display after your tweak. Please check. Hrishikes (talk) 02:01, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out (I must be going crazy. I really thought that was working yesterday.) I know what the basic problem is, and that is {{overfloat image}} "draws" items on top of one another and by displacing the text upwards I created a conflict resulting in the topmost 2em of the text becoming hidden. Here is another try which omits trying to move the text altogether. However part of the cost is I had to reduce the size of the font a little. AuFCL (talk) 02:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Status of some works

• Index:Ancient History of the Deccan.djvu
• Index:Deccan Nursery Tales.djvu
• Index:The Music and Musical Instruments of Southern India and the Deccan.djvu
• Index:Ancient History of the Deccan.djvu
• Index:The Music of India.djvu

Can you recheck the copyright dates/author lifetimes on these because I am not sure these are copyright free outside the US (meaning they might have to be locally hosted.) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:52, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Works now shifted locally. What is your objection reg. Index:The Music and Musical Instruments of Southern India and the Deccan.djvu? Moreover, Index:The Music of India.djvu had simultaneous New York publication as per title page. Hrishikes (talk) 08:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

First one struck as you found the required data. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Please specify the index file defect in that work as you have asserted, so that I may try some corrective action. Hrishikes (talk) 17:04, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Corrected pagelist and it proved to be that I'd lost track of how the image inserts had been done.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:13, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Home and the World Chapter subpages

Hi, I've now declined two speedy deletes for chapters of this work. This is because the requested pages have links to their own subpages. If the chapter pages are deleted then the subpages will be unparented and therefore navigation would be difficult. I urge you to rethink the way you are subpaging the book. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:45, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

@Beeswaxcandle: I could not understand your rationale. Why navigation would be difficult? People will navigate either from the TOC or from the previous/next links on the individual subpages. Those links are properly maintained. I am doing the work as per the TOC. Where the TOC shows multiple divisions in a chapter, I have gone straight for those divisions, no need for the blank chapter page in between. Where the TOC shows only one division in a chapter, I have maintained that chapter, no need for separate page for the division there. It is upto you whether to keep or delete those useless chapter pages where there are multiple divisions as per TOC, but I find no need for them. Regards, Hrishikes (talk) 08:46, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Columbia

Hi, you seem to be lot less active than you used to be. Hope all is well with you. If you have got the time can you see if you can upload the individual volumes of Columbia University serieses? You did uploaded a volume of Columbia University Indo-Iranian Series. I plan to create WP articles on the rest of the 8 book series left (already done 2 out of the total 10) but it needs someone else to upload the files to Commons. Solomon7968 (talk) 17:51, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

@Solomon7968: I am not less active, but currently I am more active in Bengali Wikisource, on request from the admin there. Anyway, why do you need me for uploading books? It is easy enough to copy books from IA to Commons. Any specific issue? Anyway, I have uploaded Index:The Daśarūpa, a Treatise on Hindu Dramaturgy.djvu. Hrishikes (talk) 01:00, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

File:Ancient Indian Education, an inquiry into its origin, development, and ideals.djvu

The community needs for works to be fully information compliant when uploaded. Nude uploads are not suitable. We need a {{book}} template, we need the author detail, source, and a copyright tag. FWIW I am surprised that you are still uploading so many works and leaving them incomplete/unstarted. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:03, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: The file already had those data when you saved your edit here. Moreover, I have not "left" any work. That term can be used only when I have left this site for good. Moreover, adding a work does not mean that I myself have to complete it; I have found no such rule here. I have added works here from many sources, many such works are quite rare/exotic. By such additions, I believe that the library itself gets enriched. Other editors may come along in future, who would like to complete such works. It is not that there is some mad rush to complete all works immediately or that this library is going to disappear tomorrow. If you have some specific and logical objection to my uploads, then please say so. If the community is unhappy with my works, then I would prefer that all such works be deleted. Hrishikes (talk) 08:23, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Nil Durpan

This book is showing as a proofread-of-the-month project for this month. I would like to work on validating it, but there are no instructions about font sizes, indentations, etc. in the talk page for Index:Nil Durpan.djvu. Could you add some project comments -- things to watch for, stuff NOT to change, that sort of thing? I'm new to Wikisource. It helps a lot if there are formatting guidelines specific to the book in the talk page for the Index:Nil Durpan.djvu. Your help is greatly appreciated! --Outlier59 (talk) 01:37, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

@Outlier59: Thanks for your interest. This was my first work here, I did it as a total newbie. I had tried to maintain consistency throughout, but I have forgotten the details. I did keep some space between the name of the speaker and the given dialogue, that conformed to the scan. I also did some linking in the Nil Durpan/Appendix portion, but that linking job is still incomplete. Anyway, you can move forward as you feel right. Feeĺ free to discuss specifics, however. Best wishes, Hrishikes (talk) 02:56, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

P.S. As for your edit in Rebecca, the space before apostrophe in I'm and betweeen did & n't etc. are maintained throughout the work, so I did not change it. Hrishikes (talk) 03:04, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for replying about this! I'll keep Nil Durpan on my "maybe" work list -- a bot made some indentation changes I'm not sure how best to fix right now. Feel free to reverse any edits I made to Rebecca that don't agree with the rest of the work. As I said, I'm a newbie. I didn't mean to mess up Rebecca, I just took a shot at some editing there. Outlier59 (talk) 04:56, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Index:Gospel of Buddha.djvu

Done some attempted proofreading but would appreciate a second set of views especially on accented charcters as it's sometimes note clear what should be n̄ and what should be ñ. Thanks ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: See Sanskrit Grammar/Chapter I, n̄ = ङ (ng in song); ñ = ञ (as in Piñata). Hrishikes (talk) 17:20, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Unfortunately the above document doesn't include the original Sanskrit, so it would need an expert, I'm not.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:22, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Can you please point me to the concerned pages or mention the words containing these characters? Hrishikes (talk) 17:26, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Start-here - Page:Gospel of Buddha.djvu/299 (i'll try and specfic pages and list them below}}ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:27, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

• Page:Gospel of Buddha.djvu/300
• Page:Gospel of Buddha.djvu/301
• Page:Gospel of Buddha.djvu/304
• Page:Gospel of Buddha.djvu/307
• Page:Gospel of Buddha.djvu/308
• Page:Gospel of Buddha.djvu/310
• Page:Gospel of Buddha.djvu/312

Thanks. I've tried to follow what I thought the book was following, (rather than doing a conversion to a modern transliteration).ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:37, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I'll look into it tomorrow. Hrishikes (talk) 17:40, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: I have started. In this work, the acute mark (except for the velar s) is not a part of the spelling, but a pronunciation indicator, (e.g., w:Front vowel), therefore it should not be above the vowel, but separated from it. So the mark is not required if the word is repeated. As for the varieties of n, you can follow a simple rule, which will cover most cases. The major bulk of Sanskrit consonants are divided into five vargas or orders, depending on where the tongue touches during pronunciation. If the n precedes or follows any of the first four letters of a varga, it gets converted to the fifth letter of that varga. For the first (cervical) varga (k, kh, g, gh), it is n̄ (also written as ṅ) (as in Bankim of Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay). For the second (velar) varga (ch, chh, j, jh), it is ñ, as in the first n of Panchatantra. For the third (hard palatal) varga (ṭ, ṭh, ḍ, ḍh; t here is the English t) and r, it is ṇ. For the fourth (dental) varga (t, th, d, dh; t here is the French t), it is n. For the fifth (labial) varga (p, ph, b, bh), it is m. There are additional rules of course, but this should cover most situations of conversion. Best, Hrishikes (talk) 02:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)