User talk:RaboKarbakian/Archives/2021

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If I goofed...

in any of my edits (re: [1]), here or at some other WM project, I am always willing to fix my errors; or, if it seems beyond my ability, or if I am just not in the right state of mind to address it, then the good thing is that there are others who can help make the necessary changes. I try to ask for help nicely, and I am always grateful. I try not to leave messes. I am not perfect, but I try to be thorough. Have a good day. Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Londonjackbooks: I called it a "cause". The author of that poem is not a big deal to me, but it seemed to be to you. My current "cause" would be making utf-8 documents completely using ascii characters, something that I suspect you have no great care for until the point you might have to change your work flow. I spent some several minutes trying to figure out good words to use before I disassembled your "star" and I couldn't find those words and didn't disassemble anything -- more for the love of my own causes than anything else, selfish as I am.

These are the few words I found: something about most people being uneducated idiots, even the educated. And the search for information about the song that we all know is the quickest way that the majority would find the poem. And also something about c.s.lewis and his tales starting with the new testament because that seems to be the entry point for "the west" into the religions of the desert peoples -- and you can start to see where my words began to fail and I fled (again) to math books....

Is there anything you care to know about ascii?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 11:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Why are we even here editing at all if not for something or someone having inspired us to be here (yes, even boredom). You are, of course, free to make assumptions about what may or may not constitute a big deal to others... As for me, other than the content I choose to edit, I do not make edits based on my own preference. I attempt to follow rules and guidelines. If it appeared to you that I made an edit with the intention of highlighting a certain version, then you are mistaken. If I understand you incorrectly, then I am mistaken. As for the "uneducated" or the "educated"... I have no idea what you are talking about. If the subject of ascii comes up in my work flow (if I will even know if/when it does), then I will be sure to give you a ping. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

The problem with ascii will be for the second proofreader. The problem with "The Star" was, iirc, that en ws has it's own label for "the star" that points to a poem titled "twinkle, twinkle..." while all of the other wiki use a label "twinkle...". I would be the partially educated idiot who might guess that mozart had written the poem because I had heard he wrote the jingle....

I will fix it later today. I will also be sorry to do it. If you know where the first time it was published and I can find a scan, I will do what I can to get it here.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 12:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I'm bored. Beyond belief.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 12:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Strength to you Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:17, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!!!

Thank you for helping out with the PGDP import project. It's really kind :) :). Languageseeker (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Languageseeker: Mostly I really enjoy the wd stuff. I should thank you for the TODO list.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:55, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Birdcraft

Hi RaboKarbakian,

Any particular reason you transcluded Birdcraft even though only a small fraction of it is proofread, and there appears to have been no progress on it since 2018? Xover (talk) 08:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

I am seeing the same phenomena with fairy tales on other wiki and I am quite sure the reasons are similar. The popular tale has been completed, while the rest of the book (or volumes) is (are) waiting. There are some journals here like that also, where one article was completed. The biology based books, not this one but others, have type species (the first description of a species) or type genus (the same) making some sections and parts more notable and significant than others to the scientific community. Truly, I used to dream of being able to link to the types....

I was going to do the same with Scribner's Magazine Vol. 32 which has the first edition of Little White Bird (Peter Pan first pub.)....

But Birdcraft, a book I really liked, I made many mistakes with. I didn't flip the toggles on upload that re-ocred it, it needed to be reoriented because it was a few pages off, I actually got painfully bored hitting the ocr button, which is a character flaw I am sorry for. So, I would go back to it -- the same with the images, which there are plenty. Then my computer died.

It was interesting lists of books that brought me back without a computer. Images that made me try to get my computer up again. Commandline without a boot preventing that. Proofing on this device ranges from painful to difficult and is not my first love here, and my speedy tools were on my computer (text editor, room to work, etc.).

So many little, not good except that they are all true, reasons.

That the rules here do not know science and technology use of texts is a sadness that I am dealing with and only a little relevant to Birdcraft, which was also my first, I think.

My wordiness and sophistry are always an issue in the AM, today more than most due to saddness. Sorry.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 12:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear you're feeling blue. Hope life comes around to cheer you up!

Ok, but then I take it there were one or two species of bird whose entries were particularly interesting. Are these of sufficient substance to qualify as being works in their own right? For example, do these entries have a distinct author; possibly a notable author; are of substantial length; are often cited by other publications; etc.?

What I'm getting at is that the text as presented to visitors at Birdcraft, as it currently stands, is so incomplete as to be more frustration than help to most people. It is also an excerpt, in that only select parts of it have been transcribed, which is not allowed by policy. But we do tend to make exceptions for texts where the parts that are completed meet a bar for being works in their own right. One essay in a collection of essays, or one play or novella extracted from an edition of an author's Complete Works, are typical examples. One article from a newspaper is more iffy, and often depends on the stature of the byline and girth of the article itself. For a reference work like an encyclopedia it is often harder to justify for any single entry. EB1911 and friends often pass the bar, but it has several things going for it (separate and identifiable authors, for one thing). For Birdcraft, someone that knows the work a lot better than I do would need to make that assessment.

And to be clear, my interest here is that I don't like having woefully incomplete works sitting in mainspace when no work is ongoing for them. If—but only if—what's completed is not sufficiently substantial to count as works in their own right, I would like to delete the mainspace pages until someone completes the whole work (or there is at least more substantial parts of it done and with some kind of progress towards completion). But as I said, I don't know the work sufficiently to make any kind of assessment of that, hence my pestering you with the issue. Xover (talk) 12:49, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

@Xover: No pestering has happened yet. If you want to delete what is there, I won't have a problem or even a sadness. Perhaps a complete roll back of the related portal also. iirc, I was trying to integrate species here like I did with the Fairy Books. The, ah, easy peasy SSI (server side includes) here made my brain explode back then. And there are still some pops from that first explosion, but a lot of that "whee" then looks like "wiz" now....

It is a big clean up, if you want me to clean it, I will. Source at commons is also a big mess. I am very happy not to be the only mess maker. But I would like to mention this: wikis are so cool.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Not having looked, I can't speak to the particular messes. But speaking generally, cleaning up one's old messes to modern standards is always appreciated and helps ensure the quality of our collection.

On Birdcraft, since you have no particular attachment to it, I'll take a closer look and either delete it (if it still looks too premature for transclusion) or tag it as incomplete if not. Thanks for providing your assessment of the work! Xover (talk) 13:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

This image

You should be able to use {{flow under}} instead of {{overfloat image}}, if you make that part of the image transparent. (This work looks pretty cool, though.) TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:13, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: Thanks for the advice! SF seems to have tried to get it to work, so I don't feel as bad about not getting it to work. Big thanks for starting me on Rackham works, this book is particularly good of the lot of them!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:12, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

• Re: check it out—looks good to me. I like the gif. As for Rackham, I’m glad I could; I’m also enjoying reading those books. (I only learned about {{flow under}} recently, myself.) Are there any other Rackham works you’re looking towards soon? I’d love to look at some more. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 13:17, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Page:The Allies Fairy Book.djvu/94 animated gif

Really? I don't seen an animated gif in the book. If you can demonstrate that the work had one, then it can stay, otherwise, please just place a static image. If you want to go outside scope, then please put it before the community rather than undertake maverick moves. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:45, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry. It needed to be transparent for the template and I got a little saucy. The a1 just needs removing from the name to get the non-animated gif. I apologize if I have offended you in any manner or fashion with this.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Traffic Sign Diagrams...

Any chance of extracting images for pages like these:? Page:UKSI1964_(Part_3-_Section_1).pdf/971 and related?

I will also note that someone else had uploaded an alternate set of scans to :- https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Gallery:TSRGD_1964_diagrams

which can be used as well to correct for scan errors in the Google digitised scans.

Ultimately it would be nice to have all of these as SVG. (which can be updated for the various revisions these went through, but wasn't sure if your expertise extended to Inkscape or Illustrator. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Sure, I can bitmap them, are the "problematic pages" the only image pages there (in the +1000 pages of the text)?

I don't have access to Inkscape or other right now, and my skills with it are on the fair side of "fair to middlin", however, it seems like these traffic signs might be just the thing to brush away the rust from fair skills and raise them more towards middlin', so, in a future where I have access to Inkscape, I will gladly rework them as SVG, if no one else has by then.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:17, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

In the meantime are you prepared to do some basic extraction as jpeg/PNG from the PDF or the SABRE hosted scans? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:13, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I've only looked at the image pages for the Traffic Signs SI, and I hadn't fully identified all of the image pages yet. And yes I had been marking them as Problematic.. - See also where the UKroadsign/images template is linked. Thanks :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Delayed this until an unknown future time, (detailed at SF's talk page)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Page:A complete course in dressmaking, (Vol. 1, Introduction) (IA completecoursein01cono).pdf/1

Can you work your image talents on this? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:19, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: that is one of the first ones that I did. It is comical in the wrong ways. And, I was unable to get it to go into the layout or even a layout (but that was also the first I tried). It is the only cover graphic of the twelve that would need an {{overfloat image}} or similar.

I have either learned or remembered so much about animations since that first one. It is here and, if you would like to play with the layout, there is a non-animated and transparent version here. All of those first attempts need to be reworked. Transparency and gif are interesting, and a challenge. Indexing makes the white into some non-white version, transparency was what was messing up the Optimizer. A combination of the two seem to be working best.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry about keeping the existing layout if you are making it consistent with the other volumes. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:54, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I used your layout for the title page and the printer/copyright info on all 12 volumes. I made a new layout for the cover starting with the second volume and was consistent for all the rest. Just that first one messed me up. I was going to look into actual html for this instead of using a template. {{img float}} would work if the polygons were working. {{overfloat image}} didn't work with a margin setting, I think it is because the whole page has been centered. I used to be fairly good at straight-up html, sometimes I feel bad about trading that in for template wrangling.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

dotted lead

Unfortunately, the template exists, ask someone and they will point out its flaws and potential to break. Would you mind removing those? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 03:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

User space transclusion

Whatever the purpose of your experiment User:RaboKarbakian/WD version, which I can sort of fathom, it surely ought not to be appearing in the author pages. Please find a solution and remove them. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Cygnis insignis: I have been waiting for that myself, "a solution". I can move them into Template space and they can be obfuscated into something more global, but I haven't been given anything positive for doing that yet. And I have not kept them a secret either!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:42, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Generating a citation within and from wikisource is very desirable, good luck with that, but could you please remove them until the solution emerges. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:49, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I think this resembles some problems encountered at wikipedia, namely using wd for biological nomenclature, but can you not just create a link template here? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 15:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

No, I can't create a link template. There is a citation template already available for that and has been available for years. Also, it is not 2007. The point of wikidata is to have all of the information in one place so that links everywhere can be improved or altered in one location. www.gimp.org was made that way because "PITA" should be avoided if possible. Wikidata makes that possible here.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:13, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I am going to take a guess about the "biologiccal nominclature" problems at wikipedia. en.wiki wants everything to reflect them. It was a big problem at commons. Species names and not all of the worlds biologists agree with en.wikipedia on this. I got so that I would use the website closest to where the plant was found. There are good reasons to not have a synonym article but those reasons do not transfer to wikidata, which are not articles but records that is a good way to keep track of biological synonyms and etc. If I had had the time, I would have put up qid's for all of the synonym names used in my fishes book or in the reptile/amphibian book because that is what was used in the book, making it a valid qid and synonym. At commons, the synonyms were closed into a template which hides it from search. I was glad that people used the synonym name in images as it helped me to find the "official now name" of the critter in the picture.</rant>--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I add multiple links to wd in the taxobar for any regularly cited valid name, I don't see much of a problem with that arrangement. However, there is an excellent essay that discusses this; I can find and link if you are interested. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 11:54, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

versions and translations

The Bremen Town Musicians

I arrived at Little Red Riding Hood (fairy tale) from WD after creating a dab for Little Red-cap, ostensibly for translations for Grimm, from the page Little Red Riding Hood. I recognise there is no obvious solution in how this should be handled here, wikisource, even given a source like Perrault or whoever for traditional tales the 19C translations are often fairly loose adaptions ('for young readers'). So it goes CYGNIS INSIGNIS

Check out Portal:Cinderella where the same Grimm/Perrault versions exist. The Italian versions of these tales are actually the first, and the first I heard of him was within the last year.

I was learning my way around the fairy tales when I was working through The Blue Fairy Book and which ever Red was one of the first. I always intended to get back to that. I will warn you tho, there is no bigger mess in this smaller world or in the whole wide world as the Arabian Nights, whose origin is really French and not the Burton version most know of. My own brain? It still struggles to understand that Cinderella was not an invention of Rogers and Hammerstein and that Snow White is not from Disney.

Wikidata work and research actually seems cumbersome on the laptop. My year of doing this on the 7 inch mobile device for sure is causing that feeling.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:01, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

I can just imagine :) hope you enjoy one of the better illstrns from the work I'm picking away at. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:31, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

BLore1 link

Hi RaboKarbakian,

After the change from "BLore1 link" to {{Bird-Lore link}} you have several user sandboxes transcluding the old template (which makes them show up in maintenance backlogs). I'd appreciate it if you could change these to {{Bird-Lore link}} (or just remove them if not needed), or, if you don't have the time, I can do it for you.

The pages affected are:

• User:RaboKarbakian/Species
• User:RaboKarbakian/Species/Spizella passerina
• User:RaboKarbakian/Species/Poecile atricapillus
• User:RaboKarbakian/Species/Passer domesticus
• User:RaboKarbakian/Species/Ixobrychus exilis
• User:RaboKarbakian/Species/Charadrius vociferus
• User:RaboKarbakian/Species/Sialia sialis

Thanks! Xover (talk) 16:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Xover:. Yowza! I had forgotten those entirely! Can you just delete those pages? I can slap a speedy on them if it helps it to go faster. Thanks for finding them. (I did mention a mess, iirc)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:23, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

No need for tagging. I’ll nuke them shortly. Thanks! Xover (talk) 16:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Done And, incidentally, if you want to check what's squirrelled away in your user space you can use Special:PrefixIndex/User:RaboKarbakian/. --Xover (talk) 17:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Squirrelled? Tho' that is probably a better word than "Sandbox" :) . Thank you very much for the finding and disposing!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Xover: I found this from 2018. Which only shows that I lost my enthusiasm, maybe, while waiting.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:36, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, getting no response and nobody seemingly noticing at all is incredibly demotivating. But I think in that particular case it was more a matter of nobody having the tools and skills needed to help you out. More recently, both myself and Inductiveload have the necessary tools for that and try to watch for people having trouble like this. Please feel free to grab hold of either one of us for this kind of issue. Xover (talk) 16:16, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Page:A complete course in dressmaking, (Vol. 1, Introduction) (IA completecoursein01cono).pdf/64

Img float will work for these, but you'll need to read up on CSS polygons :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:54, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Heh, thanks for fixing that. I will tackle the polygons again. Media wiki isn't doing shape-image-threshold-property yet, I think. Not being able to use img tags is (so far) a show stopper for me in even seeing if this could be done....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:07, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: I was surprised when I looked at what you had done, honestly, I am fairly comfortable with "comma separated pairs" (at least I have been in previous lifetimes). So, when I saw that you had used more than one set, I grabbed these screenshots. I am using an older version of Firefox, maybe that is the reason for this:

• 
  the page in question
• 
  the documentation

@ShakespeareFan00: How about polygons with rotated text? Page:Principia Discordia (1970).djvu/9 and File:PrincipiaDiscordia pg00006-1.gif. I can make some other arrangement with the image if it doesn't work. (Kind of jealous...)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

The whole polygon support is very recent, so if you have an older browser it might not be fully implemented, or you will need to check "caniuse", which is why I wasn;t using this more widely. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: The image float example worked for me on my browser in 2018. I am on my mom's computer. She did not want her browser upgraded and I was hesitant to also because bookmarks changed, or something that would have stressed her (and me). So, this browser is getting to be 5 years old. I uploaded the screenshots that because of my bruised ego. Same with the double spans in that one link. Having recovered from the lack of html4 forgiveness in xhtml, I like html5, and don't want to discourage its use! --RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:44, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Re: clubs

Go ahead! Your help will be much appreciated. If you could choose a font for the handwritten text on e.g. this page (so I don’t have to), that would also be appreciated. [For rotations: the offset stamps I have considered as text, and placed appropriately (or as much as I could); for pages which are rotated, I ignored that; for images (although I can’t think of any) you can choose.] TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 17:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

My bookmark of the available fonts is not on this computer and search is not giving me its location. TeX (math) has some nice fonts, but probably not handwriting. I did find {{Old style}} which I should use on the Canon....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

• No one’s touched the images, if you’re interested again. (Also, if you want some other work, could you look at A History and Defence of Magna Charta (some decorative rules), Update on Water Quality, 2 (a map), and A Friend in Need (baking soda ad)? I just finished the first of these, besides the images.) Also, noting your interest in astrology as of late, might I perhaps recommend Loves Garland (although looking at it again, it is rather more alchemical than astrological, sorry). TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 02:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I did the Magna Carta, but my brains are like jello and maybe you want to fix the sizes/style and I made a cover for it. I read somewhere that some one doesn't like title pages as covers but I do (at least on my devices) so, I made one. I really like the Baking Soda! And water is good. I found the translation of the 1614 proof of Logarithms while looking for a way to have my computer generate the log tables for the astrology book. Without logs there would be no astrology charts, Kepler probably would not have laid the ground work for Newton (and Leibniz) to invent Calculus and we might still be in Aristotle Archimedes water in the bathtub displacement physics (the elements, rock falls down because it is made of the earth -- an easier science for sure but no moon rocks, cell phones or weather maps). All the great astronomers from then were astrologers also, except for Galileo, he was a spy for a financial group. I need to get past the "I hear music" so that one also. I was wondering if it would get deleted like the tarot (images) seem to have been. It is a ponderous jello, it seems....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 05:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, I was trying to think of a way to tell German Wikisource that the book was here and need image and style. My club is in Berlin. They love that stuff there.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 05:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

• The cover looks nice; without a real cover, the title page does well. You are mistaken regarding the Tarot images, I believe, if you refer to the Rider–Waite set; they are available here on Commons, in which you may have an interest. (Note they are not Pictorial, but Illustrated; but that was the only difference of the publications.) The images for Magna Charta look great, and thanks; the images for A Friend are here: 1, 2–3, and 30. As for the Principia, please get other people to help—that work’s formatting was so painful to work on. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 12:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: I haven't uploaded to ws before. Is there anything I should know or do? I was gonna ask if I should upload into the originals, but decided not to (upload into, that is).--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

• You don’t need anything, really. You probably only need a link to the original file; I don’t know the template. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:28, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
• Thanks for all the validation! I’m glad you like water. Are there are works of yours you’d like validated? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 00:15, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Heh, I left you a message about my validation skills, which I am *sure* you saw. Don't worry about that, I was just "tidying up". That is a nice collection.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:17, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

(I sent my message as I was looking over at the one you sent.) Thanks for the effort, anyhow. I was going through works I had started but not finished, and that map from no. 2 stared right back at me. Next up is some biographies and perhaps an interesting public domain work I happened to come across, soon…. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 00:21, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Index:The Construction of the Wonderful Canon of Logarithms.djvu

Some of these pages in this work use a | character inside a templates. You should use

{{!}}

for these to escape them, otherwise the parser tries to process it as a paramater divider which is not what I understand to be desired ? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes! @ShakespeareFan00: I love your changes, I have learned much from them. You also showed me

{{=}}

(which was documented pretty well) also. I could very easily push the "Thank" thingie on all of them. This book accounting stuff is actually more dreary than the mathematics to words half; that anything can be more dreary than that is a surprise. I am anxious to get it completed. One tome of almost completely unreadable text! Everyone should do one. Heh.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:46, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Lint removal...

I have a script in a PAWS notebook (https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/PAWS) - USing a BASH shell and a command to pywikibot, it's possible to get a list of lint pages semi-sorted grouped into works.

https://public.paws.wmcloud.org/User:ShakespeareFan00/linthints.ipynb

Of course I'm finding the more I correct, the more the script is able to find :( ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Undine (19x9)

I didn’t realize how old this was; I still remember it fondly. The images are very nice, and especially the lines opening chapters. The dates are correct: this edition (with Rackham’s illustrations) was first published 1909, and we merely host a 1919 reprinting. (I know I can find a 1912 printing of this edition on Google Books here, although of a rather atrocious quality.) Although it is now somewhat late, you could still probably add Undine to new texts (which I gather you now know how to do). I also noticed your recent svg work on EB 1911; I am very impressed. I have some more images of my own, but they’re so uninteresting that I didn’t even mark the pages “problematic” (e.g. here); they’re all over. [By the way, I have recently gotten ahold of an ILL account, so if there are any unscanned Rackhams you’ve been looking for, just ask.] TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 14:46, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.:The SVG were just sitting there at the commons, I only found them (commons:Category:SVG Versions of Images from Encyclopædia Britannica) and put them in place. They were old (like 2006), linked to by the images that had been there. I suspect they were made before the wikis could reliably display SVG. They do really look great, tho!

What is ILL? I still have Rackham's Grimm and Mother Goose to work through. But, there were a few I could not find more than a mention of. About the date, after I mentioned that to you, I saw that the 1909 date was for the translation, I really thought I had made one of my frequent typos.

I will do your images. Are there more than just the one?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:29, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

• ILL. Well, I like thanking people, so thanks for finding them, at least. Yes, the 1909/1919 dates through me off, too. There are a number more; I can create a list once I finish proofreading (I only have ~10 pages left). TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 15:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

My state has something like this, for within the state. Unfortunately, many of the books I wanted to get and scan are not available for "check out", usually located at one of the universities. I have checked a few out (sometimes because I thought the work to be unbelievable). One was listed as 1914 or somesuch, but when it arrived, it had a little gold $3.95 sticker on it and a real '70s quality to it. So, there is a warning if you are putting out $$ for postage, that the dates listed might be like the Undine date, correct but not totally accurate.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:57, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so I was downloading the image bearing pages one at a time for the DS poetry book and, well, now I am downloading the tarball so, don't worry about a list. I like old printings, even if I am willing to work on them when I am kind of tired (referring back to an earlier statement I made....). Thanks for the project!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Undine (1909)

Am I correct to say that the sections in this book are chapters (i.e. logical progressions through a single story) rather than short stories in their own right, which have individual plots from one another? If they aren't short stories in their own right, they probably shouldn't get their own subpage names based on the chapter title, but should be moved to Undine (1909)/Chapter 1, etc. PseudoSkull (talk) 15:58, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull: yes, you are correct, it is one story. I am so used to compilations, I guess, and "New" in this case means "New to this list" as we completed it on my computer before it died (2019). I got a bunch of stuff; I am not so much into “Announcing”. I just learned how to do this by accident early last week. I don't want to spam the list, so, every couple of days I will put one up. My favorite title is The school law of Michigan, maybe this is good for right after Labor Day (when we used to go back)?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:07, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: PseudoSkull (talk) 17:55, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Re: images

I just wanted, first of all, to thank you for creating the images. I saw your edits in “recent changes,” and I was kept from thanking you each time by a desire not to flood your talk page. I knew these images were somewhat less than exciting, but I sure am glad you chose to create them. As for reusing images, I don’t have any problem either; I’m the one getting the free images, so I shouldn’t be complaining too much. You have, however, missed a few: e.g., pp. 61 and 62. (I can give you a list if you want.) Great job! [I see now what you mean by the flipped image being problematic; I’m fine with you reusing images (for any case), but I would like you to re-crop this one.] TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 18:13, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: Those two images were here, and had duplicates! I just forgot to install them. Yes, a list would be nice.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

• Here you go: pp. 98, 178, 187, 197, 215, 239 (only because of its low quality), 292, and 293. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 18:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: I made the rules 450px wide; if I had seen yours, I would have used that width. So, I am sorry. Other than that, they are all done. Thanks for the list!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:46, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: Wonder Book

We’re on great terms,—so far as I’m concerned, at least. I guess there was some disagreement (probably heavy-handed on my part, sorry) about naming the pages. My thoughts in relation to the organization were to put the introductories and after the stories as sub-pages of the stories themselves; thus, the move. I always enjoy what you do to the pictures (and especially like comparing yours with the DJVU “text-enhanced” pages e.g. here). In thinking of other Rackham works, I am reminded of my copy of his Cinderella—all shadow-pieces excepting a beautiful frontispiece. (Also, my Tanglewood Tales offer here is still open, if you’re interested, but I might only get the images.) TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:39, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: I don't remember heavy handedness. I have been working on the images for Rackham's Midsummer Nights Dream [2]. I got his Grimm and his (very different) Mother Goose, which is not Perrault at all but individual rhymes -- probably much more English than French. (I think my copy of the Wonder Book was better than that.) His Cinderella was a little boring, I think it was Sleeping Beauty that was also like that.

You get the pictures for Tanglewood Tales and I will do them first. I did his Rip Van Winkle. I started Index:Gulliver's Travels (1899).djvu which was already started here. And I did The Allies' Fairy Book. Christmas Carol and some lesser known works. The images for his Tales from Shakespeare that are on the Commons are from gutenberg (small) although iirc, someone did larger of the color images, ah, I see, the ia Tales are none with color.

I had forgotten that time. I was using my mom's computer. That round ended when my mom stashed her computer away. Even now, I shut the terminal with the art app down, and the art app should just disappear also, but it doesn't. I don't know the reason that people did not and do not ask. I am more likely to say sure than not; I am like this in real life also. Familiarity with my operating system -- it is a challenge not to complain.

Anyways, I just downloaded plenty, but will put all aside for Tanglewood Tales. I had thought that if I completed the images for Ingoldsby Tales, that Inductiveload would move that text to a scan and I would have helped to finish that, but no go. I finished the images for two versions of Ingoldsby Tales.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:01, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

• I will get the Tales this weekend, if I can’t get it sooner. While looking for Rackham’s MND on Wikisource, I came across this illustrated edition (with missing image), if you’re in the mood to be imposed upon. In the meantime, I can upload and create the Index: for that Rackham’s copy, if you’d like. Also, I have a modern work on Rackham with bibliography, I think; and I’d be happy to get that copied over to his Author: page. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

The Robinson MND was originally uploaded by @Cygnis insignis:. I started to iaupload the Rackham one, but something got between me and doing that. There is a pdf for it. but iaupload is so much better. I'll let you know if I need it uploaded. Good news about the illustrations! --RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: Wikisource:Scan_Lab#Index:A_Midsummer-Nights_Dream_(Rackham).djvu <--I put in line there....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

• I see; that is always an infuriating problem. I have fixed up the pagelist for you; the last four pages are scan artifacts, and should be removed. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 23:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I put off making the pagelist until the scan was fixed, but that was not necessary. I datafied it and uploaded what I have in the meanwhile. This one is more like Undine was, with the very cute line drawings.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:13, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: Heh, maroon? Is that a critique? Honestly, if I think it might be, it might as well be. The blue channel. If I fix the blue, everything turns gold. I have seen old video tape (on the tv, actually, it was bbc, so on the telly) where all of the cows were burgandy (the name I chose for the off color) but the green grass was very very lush. So, okay, is there a different reason for the "maroon"?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

• No; I just like maroon. I was tempted also to use maroon for Undine, and thought I had done so, and for that reason chose to use maroon for this book. By accident. You can remove it if you’d like. (Also, I may get a hand on a rare Rackham—“Poor Cecco”—soon.) TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 01:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Heh, well, there is a bit of a drift in the blues that can be seen mostly in the reds and browns, so, I guess I am glad that you like that color. Hmm, a "Spunky Wooden Dog and his greedy Money-Pig" explore the world outside of the toy box. Interesting!

Can you find the (first) publish date for Peer Gynt? Was thinking about your book today. I did some book that was published in the '30s or '40s but the original pub date was fine, so, now I wonder about Peer Gynt. **AND** I was thinking about checking the library for such a book as you have. Also, maroon would have been terrible for Undine. It is that bright green.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

• The earliest copy appears (at a quick glance) to be the 1930 Lippincott (Philadelphia), which does not look to have been renewed, and which my library holds (although the 1936 publication listed on Rackham’s author page will be fine, and much easier). For the maroon shifts, I noticed that in Undine, especially here; but I’m not here to complain. I was also surprised at the number of books my library held. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 02:25, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that is maroon and gold. Eeesh. I don't consider that a complaint. More like w:Parallax. Thanks for looking up Peer. You know, overfloat image template failed me because I resized my browser to check it and everything got screwed up. A div with a minus margin did the job though. I can be a dimwit, but parallax is smart. It gets used to locate good things too.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Dear Rabo. Can you give me the skinny, who or more importantly what has been done to something I might be invested in? Cygnis insignis (talk) 11:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

You @Cygnis insignis: were pinged originally here for Index:Shakespeare's comedy of A midsummer-night's dream (Robinson).djvu which was dangled in front of me as a potential project. From 2011, iirc.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 12:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Cool, I backed out obviously, however, I am making good on a threat to another user who does excellent work on plays to do it differently … pants so can I get to this when I've made up my own rules? Or is above gazumping me? Yours sincerely, Cygnis insignis (talk) 13:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I left a gift for you there. It will be easier to simply "undo" that gift. Rules are good, rules are a pita. Personal rules make, break, define, break again, redefine, remake, rebreak, (etc., &c.) the people who make and follow them. When you move onto different personal rules, it is good to know the reason for when you move on from the newer personal rule. Someday, all {{bc <br /> will be replaced with something else. Sorry about the gift. The need for one of these was lacking in my own recent past and near future.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Will unwrap that later, excuse my humorlessness when it it comes to integrity with sources. One, anyone, trying to complete an index has to make 'rules' on arbitrary decisions, do I do this or that: do that many times, adapting all the while with due consideration, and there becomes less to discuss (if one is listening to objections and studying transcription as published). But know I use 'rule' to mean being 'usable', not 'how to police others', which is what others might want to know (despite their investment in rewards hereafter). Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

some shade of green

Hey, I'm guessing you will be jealous again, but I need a second opinion on the jpg's I'll be doing for another volume of fay stories. The image [at right] is distorted, not square, and saturated with colour [color]. Would you be willing to have a look at these, as I go along, and let me know how you think I'm going. All I'm doing is level adjustments, and hesitant to do anything more. The text is very good for this work, a nice change from the just okay adaptations of Mrs Lang et al. And how are you this day? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 15:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

@Cygnis insignis:Jealous, yes; but I was jonesing for tables, so, it is the jealousy of a fan. Also, I keep seeing piles of wikidata waiting to be made!

I have not opened that or any other image from that book yet, but I found that on some of the problem images just leaving the blue channel alone makes a very nice image. How close those would be to the original, I don't know. That image seems to be very full with reds and greens. So, I am thinking you should try that (not adjusting the blue channel) and see (yours eyes are the best tool for this, and GIMP doesn't have them) if it fixes them.

I prefer winters, so that is how I am doing, being done with summer before it is ;) I do hope you are happily producing all of these tales books! I do hope that your extreme productivity is a product of and producer of happiness or at least contentment for you!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:03, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

I like winter, but it makes people gnarly, as did summer in my previous locale; I understand why people used to move about with the seasons. I'll carry on and give a fuller reply soon, but thanks for sharing your opinion. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 16:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

I shoulda listened, that copy had weirdness in what we have to work with in 'blue channel'. The same scanner used other editions, I'm hoping to get better data for my light-crude restorations and overwrite them, CYGNIS INSIGNIS 17:39, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Not "listened" so much as just try it. I got some very nice images, eventually, and it was from doing less work. I dunno if you are working directly with the levels dialog or not tho'.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Dulac, Beauty and the beast. 1910

I'm trying to remember my answers for threads elsewhere: thanks for the flattery, but not really clear when I helped … and what else? It felt like a topic worth discussing? Cygnis insignis (talk)

@Cygnis insignis: your uploads ~2011. Seven years or so later, I saw where they went. My thoughts seeing them then were something like "wow, not a not botanical matched set". Your use of the New Texts here. The publishing of just one section, in particular. I found the path to New Texts and by the end of that same week, I had seen many ways it can be used. So, that was concentrated and concise. Moreover, 20 years ago, there was a silent "swan" on irc. Anything I have ever said to you and all of my reactions are tainted with the idea that you were that person then. Erring on the side of caution. Following stupid advice from the irc, I kept checking layer modes for different ways to do things (other than selection which I had gotten in my mind to be "the photoshop way". Sven Neumann was the png pusher, tigert gently pointed back to jpg and Raphael Quintet made GIMP's jpg plug-in the greatest graphics miracle since well, since long before Quickmask, in that it could do what was previously considered to be impossible. My orchid pngs had my old college buddies calling my computer "wafflehouse" due to the oddities in thumbnailing. So, that thought, that you might be irc from 20 years ago would bracket all of those with the exception of the wafflehouse group. So, the greatest inspiration by potential correalation. Short question, long answer. Sorry. It is a much more mess in my thoughts.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 12:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I see, but not sure of the question. Here is an answer regarding who I am. I created this account—Cygnis insignis (talk)—to replace my previous unique login (which someone outed here). I have met people in the real world who contribute to wikipedia, commons, and here. I have used irc about twice, almost never use back-channels concerning wiki sites, and never before becoming involved as a contributor to them. On new texts, like dyk at the big sister, should be based on notions of 'I genuinely thought this was really interesting and is the sort of thing I would hope to find listed here'. I don't know the names you are mentioning. Any interaction I have had with you is probably with this account name (which also indicates the only public fact about my identity, I live in Western Australia), I haven't tried to guess what that was about. Cygnis insignis (talk) 07:06, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Erring on the side that I perceive to be caution is my way when I have unknowns. The worst this did was to cause me to treat you as if you very much understood the software. Many of them did not want that software to work on Windows. So far as I can tell, over the last almost 20 years that it has been working on Windows, they were right and I was wrong. It was a huge compliment and very good for me to think that someone from my irc days was around. Sorry?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 12:44, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: MND formatting

I didn’t use center blocks/block centers because I was of a mind to use {{default layout|Layout 2}} in main. <poem> does work, I don’t know of the complaints. I was going over your not proofreads and aligning to style, but now you’ve gone back and changed them, so I’ll stop. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:14, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: Wikisource:Scriptorium#Nested_footnotes_with_nested_poems that is the very last one that I remember reading. There was another one there, in June, maybe (beeswaxcandle replied then and there about <poem> not being used and reasons). I can't remember enough about when, who or what to dig it out of my history. There are double nested bc in there and it is all working really nicely where I am moving the images horizontally and the text vertically. And you did use block centers, with the <poem /> tag. And since the Main is almost done, it is a little late to be thinking about default layout 2, which I quit using to make the ws curmudgeons happier. If there is something there you don't like or think can be improved upon, let me know; but working on layout needs to go from Mainspace to Page (not Page to some future Main). The only thing that can mess it up, I think, is overly large fonts.--21:44, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikisource:Scriptorium#Problem_with_poem_extension_in_mobile_view there is another one. Not the one I was thinking of earlier tho.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:50, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: It's done. Maybe you could look at it before it goes to New Texts? If you still want me to do the images for Tanglewood Tales, I (very solemnly) promise not to touch your formatting. This (my least favorite of the WShkspre that I know of) was a fun challenge for me.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: Betty Barber

Remember, U.S. rules come first: if the book was published before 1926, it’s good. As this was published in 1914 (and the original, non-Rackham version of BB in 1901), it is in the public domain as far as U.S. law is concerned. I have my hands on Poor Cecco now—it is not a reprint (as I had feared). I did not see your most recent comment (for MND formatting) above, until now; I hope to scan some this weekend, and Tanglewood Tales is on my list. If the binding is stiff, I’ll get to it Tuesday (probably). (I’m not going to scan all of TT, especially if it has stiff binding; I’m only going to scan the illustrations.) Poor Cecco will come later, next weekend maybe. I like MND, if only for the great illustrations which it allows. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 18:55, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

The OCLC listing of the 1901 version credits Browne and Rackham. If your book says differently, then that is better information. Published in Boston, but printed in London. Lithograph instead of half-tone -- it's a huge difference!

@TE(æ)A,ea.: Other stuff: bring it on! or at your leisure!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:43, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

• The 1901 no-Rackham comment was off-hand; a consultation of my book finds no bibliography; so I am inclined to follow the 1901 Rackham claim. I would like to find a complete bibliography soon and copy it over to Wikisource, so as to make finding missing titles more easy. If you’re interested, would you mind taking a look at the plates from this book? Hopefully, by the time you’ve gotten around to them, I’ll have gotten around to scanning in the images. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:17, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

One of the images is dated 1900. It has what looks like electric lines in it (which was the reason I looked). Any idea what those birds are sitting on? Page:The book of Betty Barber (IA bookofbettybarbe00andr).pdf/55

I can do those images.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:22, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

• The words on the cart are musical terms; the birds are sitting on a musical staff. What an amazing coincidence, in the similarity of appearance, to electricity cables. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the excellent interpretation! Clever stuff--too clever for me it seems. A.R. was a very witty guy.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: You took the chapter links out of the TOC?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:38, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.:Sorry, I never saw that template before. I think I gotta see it working before I "get it". I think thanks are in order....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:46, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

• This template is pretty cool—I created the short-name version myself. It allows relative links in Page: that don’t show up there, but do in (Main:), which is very nice. As for an explanation, the first parameter is the text on the page, and the second parameter is the link (relative to function in (Main:)). TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 18:07, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

• At last!—the images are in the (intentionally not created) Category:TTMW images. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:53, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

gottem.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 22:06, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: Just started them and was wondering what to do with them when they are completed.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:41, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

• I could only think of an appropriate subcategory of Category:Milo Winter. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:47, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: I guess I was thinking more like here (ws) or the Commons, or on a memory stick via USPS....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 22:50, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

• I’ve deleted the original scans on my end, and would like the scans uploaded here temporarily to be deleted once you’re done, so whatever you make out of it is all the Internet will have. As they are in the public domain in the U.S. (the source country), the images should be on Commons. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:52, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

• (Interesting stuff: Seeing your coloring book, I find The Sleeping Beauty by the same author, if you want more work. That is from the so-called Juvenile Historical Collection, which has a great number of illustrated books. Also, this image, from an illustrated edition of Winter’s making, looked interesting; so I will pick up a copy of it today, if I can. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 13:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC))

The images from those books were particularly nice for converting to the "coloring book" images; it was the technique Crane used. At times like this, I am sorry that I did not "study" art because that technique was just a word to me and I have forgotten it. The very impressive simplicity of the conversion is embarrassing in that they look quite nice and should have been more difficult to make them so. It could be scripted, except the occasional image required a setting change to the tool. File:Yellow Dwarf 1875 07.jpg <--that one. One setting made good coloring book images (enclosed white spaces) and another setting made good monochrome images, for monochrome ereader displays (shades of gray). I really should have noted the howtos, it was easy enough though, maybe I thought I could rework through it.

I had rejected the other Crane images due to the embedded text, that is not being such a problem lately.

So, thanks for the memories? It is good to work through this stuff again....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:09, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: It is going to take a while, but I have determined a method that will reduce the artifacts on those images. Had some brain "down time" working on those photographs and figured out a way.... See:

• 
  Original artifacts
• 
  About half "managed"

--RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:14, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

• The improvement is wonderful! I noticed the compression problem on the color illustrations, and was worried; but I’m glad you are able to smooth it out. I look forward to what you can make of the images. I have finally gotten through to more scanning recently. I have scanned in a short work that was proposed for deletion, and am scanning in now a work that’s not on the Internet. After that, I’ll scan in either Milo Winter’s illustrations from Alice in Wonderland or Rackham’s illustration of Poor Cecco, the latter with the book. I’m also looking at the illustrations of one Barker, if I can get my hands on that book; but the recent situation has made ILL services less reliable. Thanks again for working on these images! TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 11:43, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Alice

• Milo Winter’s illustrations of Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass are in! Color here, black-and-white here. Unfortunately, I could only upload one of the color illustrations, and I can’t get the whole set uploaded. Do you know of a way either to (1) separate out the images of a TIF or (2) upload a file greater than 100 MB here? Otherwise, I can only get the first color image. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:21, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: I don't know about uploading here, commons has a "chunked upload" thingie which, I have not used. Any graphics program (even paint, I would guess) should have a means to crop. IIRC, the windows file chooser might be able to crop images lately also. If it is a "layered tiff" I have no idea.

@TE(æ)A,ea.: GIMP 2.10 will separate the tiff layers.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• The color file is like the black-and-white file: a series of separately-taken TIF images put into one PDF-like file. Because of the high quality of the color images, it is too large to be uploaded normally. I know also that using Upload Wizard on Commons will work up to 3 GB (I think), but I don’t think it will survive deletion rounds on Commons, for whatever reason. Could you download it quickly, if I upload it at a certain time? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:35, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes to quick download, if the internet is up I have no plans to be anywhere else in the near future. Also, deletion requests take some time there, typically....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:39, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• I will upload the file there as near to the hour as I can make it, under the name c:File:MWAWCCh2.tif; I will then ask it to be speedily deleted by five minutes past the hour. The file is approximately 500 MB. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:43, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: To delay deletion, Avoid bots! Put it in a category: commons:Category:Alice in Wonderland is probably messy and is also somewhat correct. Make sure it has a licence! &brace;{PD-US-expired}} is what is on all of the pdfs. Structured data is good also, I can add that if you have not done that before. My experience there with speedy deletion for such things is that it doesn't happen very quickly. Not requesting deletion might, actually, go more quickly. But I don't know the people there so much any longer.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• It is up now, at last. I did not expect it to take 15 minutes to upload, and 5 to publish. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:07, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: I got it! So, you can leave it and let them find it (I have a bot following me, so it might get found by it) or tell on yourself, which should be good practice or whatever.... I have the file....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• I have listed it. I look forward to your work, as always! After the other work, Poor Cecco is next (unless some pretty titles fall my way by way of ILL). I’ll look around my university’s library, but beyond that, if you’ve been wanting any illustrated titles, I can look for them on ILL. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:32, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

  @RaboKarbakian, @TE(æ)A,ea.: Please don't game the system this way. If you know something is in conflict with policy on a given project then don't upload it there!

  If the image you're struggling with is compatible with enWS policy you can upload it here using c:User talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js. If it isn't then you need to use an off-wiki file hosting service (like Dropbox) to exchange it.

  Multi-page TIFF is a strange beast, and rarely used these days (it's a fax thing), so graphical image editors often don't support it well. But it can definitely be extracted by the right tools (I'd lay odds ImageMagick/GraphicsMagick can do it; in fact, I'm pretty sure that's what MW is using under the hood). I haven't had occasion to do it before (well, not for decades, anyways), so I can't immediately point you at the right tool, but if you need help I'd be happy to look into it. Xover (talk) 06:39, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Xover: Firstly (and formostly!) I am so happy that commons/wikimedia world can have djvu that no one else has. Defensively, I only "gamed" the system once, it involved a movie of a dung beetle, which had its license there and, well, enough said, with the exception of this: some movies need scores....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:55, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• • Xover: It’s not in conflict with policy, it’s merely not ideal in terms of that project’s policy. All images were published in the U.S. before 1926, so there’s no copyright issues here or there; it’s just that I would prefer the images not to be held in their raw state, at either site. On the topic of multi-page TIFF, I’ve been scanning a work in that format, and I would like you to collate it (as either PDF or DJVU), after I scan in the third chunk. Those files are small enough to be uploaded here. On the other hand, I have a file I would like to redact (and then delete the old version); I’ll upload it when you are available to modify it. The file is only 7 pages, and needs some redactions on 4 of those pages. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 13:39, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

    @TE(æ)A,ea.: I will be available (on and off) all this weekend, or at least sufficiently so to download and then delete a file here. Drop a note on my talk page (or email if you prefer) and I should be able to get to it within, at worst, a couple of hours.

    The script I linked above for big uploads works equally well on enWS; you just load it with mw.loader.load('//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript'); in your common.js. Large uploads are flaky and often fail (including with UploadWizard on Commons), but other than that the script is easy to use for larger files. Xover (talk) 14:07, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• RaboKarbakian: Just to be sure, you have the black-and-white Alice file from here, the color Alice file from Commons, and the various Tanglewood files from here? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 02:24, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes and thank you. I plan to spend the morning with them.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:29, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• That’s great! I hope you’ll enjoy them as much as I will. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 02:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Re:Changing of file format File:Stories from Old English Poetry -Facing Page 252.png

The above file is now a jpg. I’m only an Admin at Wikisource so you’ll have to find a Commons Admin to delete the original file for you. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 01:10, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

P.S Billinghurst is an Admin at Commons. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 01:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kathleen.wright5: no need to delete! Thank you so much!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

5 Plates from Index:The Secret Garden.djvu

I was wondering if you'd be interested in lending your skill to the 5 color plates from The Secret Garden drawn by Maria Louise Kirk. Many Thanks! Languageseeker (talk) 20:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Sure, but I am only counting 4 plates....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

1916

Stuff going on at the time interrupted publication of many works, so perhaps Rackham's work was not issued until later. Cygnis insignis (talk) 18:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, see: Page:A Christmas Carol (1916, Rackham).djvu/194, my books both say 1933 for that one and Page:A Christmas Carol (1916, Rackham).djvu/193 1931 for this one. I am blind, I guess, because when I proofed that book, I just decided to not do the dust cover because I did not know how to place it.

I was thinking about proofing the ads in the books you have done....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

I have the idea that earlier printings are often not mentioned because it is intended to be a gift, that is, no fear of the recipient having received it before. The 'brand newness' factor meant that works in the christmas book market were post dated to the next year. On Rackham, check out File:Stories from Hans Andersen - Edmund Dulac color plate at page 183.jpg for obvious influence on Dulac, and after seeing them at Commons I'm thinking about getting his illustrations into a copy of Goblin Market here. Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:35, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

That image was quite Rackhamish! Without a signature, I would have guessed Art made it. I am about to give up the Market. I just need to look at the images for a date. It is like looking for a particular needle or a saftey pin or a hairpin or a thumbtack in a haystack where there might not be any of those, but there are quite a few other needles. I think of all the dust covers I discarded from my books throughout the years....

I was also thinking about making a transclusion stew of book advertisements here, somewhere. They don't need to be in the Main with the books they were in, but a collection of them for looking stuff up. See Page:Gulliver's Travels (1899).djvu/338 thru Page:Gulliver's Travels (1899).djvu/348, maybe those ads can't be here, but it will still be nice to have for 16ish years from now. --RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

What are you actually trying to do?

Page:Scribner's magazine (IA scribnersmagazin16newy).pdf/9

This doesn't work in Page: namespace :-

BAR HARBOR. {{fine|See {{nsl2|#asr|''American Summer Resorts''}}.}}

The #asr gets converted to a list item which breaks the {{fine}} as you can't put lists inside SPAN based formatting. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

User:ShakespeareFan00 I was trying to proof, format and link everything first. Then, my text editor has "column paste" so I had the right number of spaces between everything to match the authors to the work. I didn't put the spaces between the page numbers, yet. As I type this, it occurs to me that probably I did not need the linebreak between the illustrator and the title (which is what you put in?) but, I was in the not even in the middle of it when I quit or had to quit. The #asr should be in an {{nsl2}} but I got those backwards, text to link/link or the other way.

Column paste (it's great, usually). Proofing 1/2 done, with lots of incorrect making it more like 1/3 done. Anchoring should be done on the whole thing also. The Scribners TOCs are going to be a challenge for me. Do you want to do them? I don't mind....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Scribner%27s_magazine_(IA_scribnersmagazin16newy).pdf/10&oldid=11809814 but I reverted as you said you wanted to get the text right first. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

This was why I was wanting to convert to a tabular form BTW, Index:Scribner's magazine (IA scribnersmagazin16newy).pdf/styles.css, means you don't have to call {{sc}} for every single author, Only {{nc}} for the portions that aren't. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:02, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

User:ShakespeareFan00 Heh, you reverted where I had fixed the nsl2 links. That template has no clue about the named values. The style.css link is great, but does it work in Main?

Do you have a certain table in mind? The author being in the dtpl third column is problemish. I was going to look through those 2-1-1, etc temps but if you know which one to use, it would surely help things. So:

1. {{nsl2}} has no respect for named parameters
2. does style.css work also in Main?
3. which toc template to use?

I will be proofing and anchoring things.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:14, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Erm - https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Namespace_link_2&action=edit I see named paramaters. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes the /style.css will work in Main. That was the whole point of implementing Indexstyles :)

Don't use a TOC template, use table syntax directly, See the example page I did and then reverted. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you and a Request

Thank you for adding the images for Index:A father's legacy to his daughters - Gregory - 1808.djvu. Do you think you could do the same for Index:Tarzan and the Golden Lion - McClurg1923.pdf or Index:London - The People of the Abyss.djvu? Much appreciated in any case. Languageseeker (talk) 03:09, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, no problem. Tomorrow though.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 04:27, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Languageseeker (talk) 22:07, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Languageseeker: I finished the Tarzan. I cleaned that up at wikidata also (some), My data is at least less of a violation of the structure than what was there. The first edition was in a journal? So, the book needs a new data. I make two, one for the scan/index page and one for the commonscat/main. The book people are not happy with that, but it really works well with the wikis! The photographs in the Abyss are next. A quick count says 81 images there! I will work on them each day until I get bored. Bored == sloppy for me. They will get done....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 03:39, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! The picture are absolutely gorgeous. :) Yes, the novel was originally serialized in Argosy All-Story Weekly. This copy is the first edition of the text published as a separate novel. Take your time with Abyss. It's quite a lot of images. I really appreciate all your effort. Languageseeker (talk) 03:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Languageseeker: I was getting the commonscat ready for the Abyss images and I happened to notice The People of the Abyss which looks a lot like a gutenberg text that was pasted here. Can I know the "plan" for that?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:44, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

My plan is to override that text with a transcluded version. The current version is missing the images and stops at Chapter 19. Languageseeker (talk) 22:50, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Languageseeker: the images are done for the London London book. I kind of appreciate the chance to refine my script. If you have another set of (crappyish) photos and would like to use my script, do let me know. It requires pre-rotation and guides, but it makes the color adjustments and saves to a new name. I had some ideas of how to write it to not require those two things, but my idea would still involve making a selection and a picky selection at that, probably not a time saver. I did figure out how to divide columns for cropping for ocr, but digging a photograph out of text is a different matter....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:42, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much. You're amazing. The pictures are absolutely gorgeous. Well, if you asked... There is also Index:Footsteps of Dr. Johnson.djvu, Index:Negro poets and their poems (IA negropoetstheirp00kerl).pdf, Index:Kwaidan; Stories and Studies of Strange Things - Hearn - 1904.djvu, and Index:The Chaldean Account of Genesis (1876).djvu. Take as long as you need, if you feel like doing any of them. Thank you!Languageseeker (talk) 00:10, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Heh, (read it again!) I offered to share my script. "Goregeous" is a word best saved for works that are goregeous. My script tries to make scans of photographs that were published in books to look as if they are scans of actual old-fashioned black and white developed photos, and not for good photos. It does a pretty good job of that. If you want the script, let me know about that.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:14, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Having the images helps the book a lot. Note that there are also published versions of London's prints made from the original on the web rather than the photogravures (e.g. [here) if we want to replace them eventually with higher res (but that has a different feel of course). MarkLSteadman (talk) 00:50, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@MarkLSteadman: that's a great link and a huge collection! A very interesting man....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Oops, must of just been wishful thinking. I'd be glad to take a look at the script, but I'm not sure that I have enough time right now.

@Languageseeker: Let me know when you want the script and be warned(!!!): any software that prefers images made for "other software" and not for "people", (ie, a bot with a histogram in its pants) -- that software will not be happy with the images my script makes. Those images are for people who use eyes to review and not for software totting histograms. It will be available whenever you have the time.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@MarkLSteadman: That's an amazing find. I'll try to upload the album to Commons as soon as Pattypan is fixed. Languageseeker (talk) 01:34, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Outdent. I noticed that you might have overlooked Page:London - The People of the Abyss.djvu/164 and Page:London - The People of the Abyss.djvu/285. Do you think that you could add the images to them as well? Languageseeker (talk) 04:57, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Languageseeker So sorry! I pulled those two because my script blew the whites out so badly on them and then I never got back to them. The final images are there and the blown images also, in the upload stack at commons (in case you are interested in seeing how badly my script damages some of these "photographs").--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:06, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Scripts always behave badly sometimes. Appreciate your help with this one. Languageseeker (talk) 00:53, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Rackham bibliography

I see that you have been adding a great many works to Rackham’s Author: page; that is much appreciated. I have myself come across Arthur Rackham: His Life and Work (1960), which is in the public domain; it has a lengthy bibliography (with a full list of works he illustrated and to which he contributed illustrations, and a partial list of periodicals and ephemera which he illustrated). I hope to get that work scanned, but in the absence of that, I will upload the entire bibliography soon. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:41, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: The book (from the library) that I used is from 1994, Rial. I skipped individual illustrations and some compilations. I got another book, which I only looked at a little, of illustrations. In that book, his browns are mostly bluish!! So, I feel better about many things, and am slowly going back over my images. Can you look up Goblin Market in your book and see if they have more than a year as the publication date?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• No, it just gives the year, noting publication in England (under some Ltd.) and by Lippincott in Pennsylvania. I think it gives more information in the text itself (rather than in the limited bibliography), but I’ll look at that later. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 03:29, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• RaboKarbakian: I have scanned in a bibliography here; it has the imaginative title of Arthur Rackham: A Bibliography. It also has some heretofore non-digitized pictures, including a photograph of Rackham himself. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:00, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

User:TE(æ)A,ea. THANK YOU! That photograph is funny! Typical Virgo who has the appearence of smelling something bad (even when things smell good).... I just picked up some images from Punch and an illustrated poem from Scribners. Having a pdf of this is just great!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:42, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• You’re welcome! I’m glad you enjoy it. It mentions some works written by Rackham; I’ll see if I can get my ILL hands on them, if they’re in the public domain. I’ve scanned through the first chapter of Poor Cecco, and will do more in the near future. Besides that, I have another work (this a biography first, with partial bibliography) which I can scan in. (The main part is fine, but I believe some of the pictures used “with permission” are still copyrighted, so I’ll need to be careful in scanning.) TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:58, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

• I have now proofread most of the bibliography. There are still the images at the end, which I would like you to create. I can re-scan those images (and the plates at the beginning) in extra-high quality, if you would like. I am creating the index at the moment, which is a very lengthy process. (Also, having found “Danaë” from The Century Magazine here at n. 631, it looks very nice; but the scan quality leaves something to be desired.) TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 15:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I think I am uploading that bad Danae scan today. I have so many of the magazine articles (Punch and Little Folks and many others with not so much), they just need to be uploaded. I wrote a little script that will (with a little work on my part) hide the Google logo, etc. Title pages and bad scans from books too! As soon as I get the cat and the data settled, it is great to {{wdl}} the entry in the bibliography! I will work on it more when I get the uploads done. Hathi has that article he wrote, whose title has ended with hws in the biblio which should be available in a little more than two months from now.

User:TE(æ)A,ea.: I sure appreciate the proofing you have done!

Mentally, I am treating the bad scans as bookmarks....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:33, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• The “Snow Queen” picture is in colour; see here and here. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 17:35, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

User:TE(æ)A,ea. that's just great! Hathi has two different and incomplete lists of that mag....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:47, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

User:TE(æ)A,ea.: I got one that is not in either of the biliographies. commons:Category:The Century Magazine/Volume 89/The Haunted Wood (*shoves Goblin Market closer to "Index creation"....)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:15, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• That looks nice! I’m tempted to search through all Century Magazine listings now, but maybe after some less bibliographic work. In other news, I’ve put out a request for some of those Little Folks listings; we’ll see how that turns out. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:27, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

TE(æ)A,ea.! Help? I am so perplexed! See: commons:Punch's Almanack for 1913. I cannot find this in the bibliography, but it must be there because I did not find this on my own....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:18, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• Is this from your 1990s bibliography? It’s not in Latimore and Haskell, I’ve checked over a few times now. It is in Hudson, though, which may have carried over to your modern book; I’ll get the Hudson bibliography scanned in later to-day, as it seems to supplement the one I’ve already got. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:34, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
• Hudson’s list for Punch is: “Punch. Almanacks for 1905, 1906, 1907, 1913. 30 Aug, 6, 27 Sep, 11, 25 Oct, 15, 29 Nov 1905; 3 Jan, 14 Feb 1906; 3 Jan 1934.” TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:38, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

TE(æ)A,ea. Wow and yowza or something and definitely a thanks! I just don't remember pulling any magazines out of that book. It is there in the Rial. (I am kind of embarrassed now....)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• The bibliography(+) is in: File:HudsonAppAB.pdf and File:HudsonAppC.pdf. It does claim great inspiration from Latimore–Haskell, but there is more than just that. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Caladenia

You sent me back down memory lane, this is an image you might like, at least the subject matter. Apologies for the quality, amongst the constraints were an unsuitable lens (and converting to png wont help;). The background is intended to remind me of the fire that had just gone through, which prompts species with a usually subterranean existence to have their day in the sun. The diversity of these ancient beings is especially interesting in my part of the world, their relationship with other organisms in the soil is revealing remarkable interconnectedness as people have got around to studying them. Thanks for the recent distractions, reading the Bookman stuff has me sucked in to uploading and bookmarking all sorts of works that must be transcribed here! Cygnis insignis (talk) 05:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Dulac Book The sleeping beauty and other fairy tales from the old French

1925 Jell-O advertisement; Artist?

It seems that Index:The sleeping beautyand other fairy tales from the old French, (IA sleepingbeautyan00quil).pdf has the plate missing from Index:The sleeping beauty and other fairy tales from the old French (1910).djvu at Page:The sleeping beautyand other fairy tales from the old French, (IA sleepingbeautyan00quil).pdf/39 in case you are interested. Languageseeker (talk) 07:10, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I made use of that, a good thing that another copy was around. Cygnis insignis (talk) 12:11, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Every once in a while, lately, I dig this out and try to determine the name of the artist. Any one care to help or guess? --RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:01, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

More pretty pictures

I have scanned in a thin book of poetry and pictures; copyright checks out, I hope; if you would like some more images. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

TE(æ)A,ea. Sure! Let me know when it passes review. This is about that interesting question you asked at copyright? (I am sorting through the 1905 Punch....)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:13, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

• It is! And, it seems to have passed. To the extent of my knowledge, the “new reproductions” are not original, and therefore not copyrightable. So, the images look good. By the way, these images are only “high” quality, and that from a split; I can get you some “photo” quality images, if you want those instead. I’m almost finished scanning in Poor Cecco, but the margins keep getting eaten up while scanning, so the process is lengthy. The images (black-and-white and color) are turning up nicely, though. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:00, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

TE(æ)A,ea. Poor Cecco was serialized in 1926 Good Housekeeping, which is also available now as it was not "volumed" with any month in 1927. I have been putting off the images for that (and for the serialized Betty Barber in St. Nicholas or Little Folks), due to: so many. Probably your scan will be much better images, although, compared to other Hathi scans, these are not so bad.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 22:48, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

(Cashmere Bouquet Soap, Poor Cecco, more Cashmere Bouquet Soap.... (heh))

• Poor Cecco is in, at last! The images may be found in Category:Poor Cecco images (not created, as usual). The scan is a File:Poor Cecco.pdf, although I would like a DJVU version for proofreading sooner rather than later. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

TE(æ)A,ea.! **exclamation of happiness here** I got them! I'm gonna finish up with the London Bookman stuff I started and work on these this weekend!! They look like great scans! Whee!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:58, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

• I look forward to the cleaned-up images, too! There is an image on the title page, which I could not upload; but I think it was printed elsewhere in the book. I will leave you with what I have scanned so far, as I also have a substantial Wikisource backlog to go through. If anything comes through ILL, I’ll let you know; but I won’t be requesting any more Rackham books to scan until a large bibliography (on his Author: page) can be sorted out. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:18, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

User:TE(æ)A,ea. Two things. I am having a problem finding the title page. That's one. The other is that I have been reusing "similar" images and I don't know how I feel about that and thought I would get your feelings on it. The last one I reused was at Page:Poor Cecco - 1925.djvu/92 the lines of the landscape are alittle different. That's the second, and now for an unscheduled additional question. I kind of want to make a stylesheet for this. Feelings on that?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• The title page image is duplicated on p. 152. Many of the images are variations of each other; the title page image has at least two variations (one facing the other direction, and one without the basket). What are you thinking about, CSS-wise? (Not to shoot you down, but I don’t see anything too complicated in the book.) In other image news, I came across this… interesting image, which is represented also in this scan. I’m thinking of proofreading it soon, and would like to call on you to fill in any missing images (although I don’t think there are any). Really, I just think it’s an interesting assortment of images. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:05, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

User:TE(æ)A,ea. the title page has their legs behind some foliage. About the style sheet, when I was putting the images up, some are to the right and some to the left. I wanted to limit the width and center that so the images would not be clear to the far right in wide browsers. Those other images are great, I want to do them all, but in that color! There is another one by the same author that is similar, too. They remind me of this: commons:Category:The Pilgrim's Progress (1890) although, those are not even in the same beauty ball park.... They would make great flashcards, eh? Emojiſ!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:25, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• The images are the same; the “foliage” is a piece of soft paper I placed while scanning. For the images, that makes sense; I don’t know how to make CSS work here, so you can have fun with that. Oh, The Pilgrim’s Progress! Those images were rather nice, but the detail of the Passions is also quite pretty. In looking for works about Rackham, incidentally, I came across “Arthur Rackham’s influence on contemporary fantasy illustrators,” which certainly sounds interesting; but it is, I believe, copyrighted, being of a very recent date. An earlier work (from the 1950s) is stuck in ILL circles, and I probably won’t be able to get it while supply chains are disrupted, unfortunately. I just remembered: I claimed this index to work on, and I plan to start proofreading it after I’ve proofread Poor Cecco (and maybe the Passions), but I can’t extract the images. If you want, I can put it off until you’re able to work on those images—I don’t know what your schedule looks like. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:45, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

User:TE(æ)A,ea. the Japanese book is also interesting. The monochromatic images, they used white paint so the background is the color of the paper. I've got some scanning in my future; some are to be stashed until 1931, but one two volume set, I have not seen online; and beautiful is from 1896! But image work everyday. I need to get Johnson's footsteps done, the authors on that poetry book. But a future with Emojiſ on hand to be used when necessary is a future I look forward to!!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 22:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Index:Negro poets and their poems (IA negropoetstheirp00kerl).pdf

I'm not sure if you have time or are interested, but, if you can, would you mind adding the images to Index:Negro poets and their poems (IA negropoetstheirp00kerl).pdf. Languageseeker (talk) 00:54, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Languageseeker About 40 images, and mostly of people, which is cool. If you don't mind me running them through my script and it taking a couple of days, then okay.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:27, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Take as long as you need. Thank you. :) Languageseeker (talk) 01:43, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the images. Languageseeker (talk) 03:56, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Phillis Wheatley

I notice that this has various dates listed differently in different locations. The title page in the scan says 1838. The mainspace page says 1854. And the Index page says 1864. Which is correct? --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:28, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

EncycloPetey What I know is almost nothing. I was asked to do the images for Negro Poets and Their Poems. After researching the photographs and data-fying them, I decided to link the book to Author pages, creating them if necessary. Second poet in that book is Phillis Wheatley and I checked out the transcription link and saw it was long ready for transclusion. About 45 minutes ago, I looked to see how poetry collections are installed in the main here, and I am pretty sure that I will need to be sectioning the work pretty darn soon. But that is all technical stuff. I got my date from the author page, maybe.

If you would like to work through the date problem, I will defer to whatever you determine. On the technical stuff, I am really unhappy with how long some of the page names are going to be. And I am more than willing to stop working on it now, and letting someone (you, if you care to) look things over before I get more involved. I have not done a poetry collection before, although sectioning will not be a problem.

So, the sum of what I know is this: I thought that it was a shame that it was fully proofed and almost completely validated and not yet transcluded; and here we are.  :)

It is nice to see you here and about!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 03:44, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

I really don't know, and that's why I asked. The date printed in a book can be wrong, or the date added to the Commons file may have been wrong. Without digging into research, I wouldn't be able to say.

Thanks. I have some vacation time, and am looking to read / proofread a collection of short stories, for which I am currently doing the technical and image prep. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:48, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

I suspect that the First Edition was published in 1834 at the start of the abolition movement in the US and this edition, the Third One, was published in 1838. [3]. Languageseeker (talk) 03:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

I am going to work on it again starting tomorrow, my day is getting kind of long and I am so happy to have interrupted by Petey and Co. I'm thinking that I am the man on the island with the box of Jell-O, it looked like it would be pretty easy, but that poor guy has to boil some water and find a place for it to chill....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 03:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Arthur Rackham: A Bibliography high-quality images

I have re-scanned the photograph and the advertisements: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:15, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

TE(æ)A,ea. that is just great! Also, your scans of Poor Cecco are so much better than the Good Housekeeping scans!! I have to make some quiet calculation time because I (might have) separated the b&w into wrongly numbered separate images. The Good Housekeeping upload is snagged on a couple of soap ads, and not the ads that were in that book. Did you see Through a Glass Lightly? The chapter fleurons are going to be SVG, I think. My cover for that looks nothing like the original, but maybe better.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:51, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

TE(æ)A,ea. gottem.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

• I have seen the drinking book—a pretty title-piece, and interesting SVG fleurons. Certainly, 70+ MB per image will get you higher quality. How are the Poor Cecco and Milo Winter images coming along? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:06, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

TE(æ)A,ea.: Poor Cecco is doing better than Mr. Winters book. I am thinking of renting some movies or something similar while working on the Winter images, to keep my mind from wandering and for whatever attention disorder I might have (I think we all have a little of this). They require picky work, but not difficult or brain taxing; if they did not require my hands to fix them, I would maybe knit or crochet while working on them. As it is, they are like knitting or crocheting and having something else going on will be helpful (for me, my mind wanders and other things). Poor Cecco probably just requires me to start over separating the tif and doing it more logically. The color images are done and like I said, looking real nice compared to the GH images, which do not look so bad but compared to your scans, are very very yellow.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 22:18, 12 November 2021 (UTC)