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PAGENAME, BASEPAGENAME, SUBPAGENAME all giving the same output?

Am I crazy or are PAGENAME, BASEPAGENAME, and SUBPAGENAME all giving the same output in Template namespace? For me, they work fine here in the Scriptorium/Help:


(the above values are only going to look different for you if you're viewing them directly in [Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help]) But here: Template:Dotted_summary_row_no_image/sandbox what I see is

  • PAGENAME = Dotted summary row no image/sandbox
  • BASEPAGENAME = Dotted summary row no image/sandbox
  • SUBPAGENAME = Dotted summary row no image/sandbox

I'm trying to copy templates like {{Template sandbox notice}} over from Wikipedia but they're not working properly because they can't get the correct BASEPAGENAME and SUBPAGENAME. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 02:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Okay, doing more research into this: maybe the subpage feature isn't turned on for the Template namespace in mw:Manual:$wgNamespacesWithSubpages? --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 10:50, 16 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That sounds likely. Is this something bureaucrats can check? --Eliyak T·C 16:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't know, but hopefully a bureaucrat or admin will take note of this and investigate... --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 03:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
fwiw... I managed to workaround similar "quirks" by adding SUBJECTSPACE: before BASEPAGENAME. I added it to your Dotted sandbox. Sometimes FULLPAGENAME is a better soution depending on what other namespaces a particular template maybe used in or the output that is needed. -- George Orwell III (talk) 04:21, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Template: namespace does not have subpages, similarly, neither does Page: namespace, hence the forward slash (/) is treated as a character, not as a break of levels. Taht being the case then each of the arguments is equal. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:32, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You could use the #titleparts parserfunction to the same effect, I think. --Eliyak T·C 04:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It won't work, it still requires to know that the forward slash is a break for a subpage, not as a character. I learnt that one the hard way. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have been using it with text strings unrelated to pagenames, so you may want to recheck that... --Eliyak T·C 14:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Err... what exactly was wrong with my suggestion (which you deleted)? -- George Orwell III (talk) 04:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry - must have been editing a previous version of the page. I think we need a bigger warning for that situation. --Eliyak T·C 14:58, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The API shows the info at and to note that I don't particularly know the API, just can find that link. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you all for the various workarounds but I'm not quite clear - are any of you saying that there's a reason why it's set up this way, or are we all simply observing the same thing and none of us able to do anything about it? It seems nuts to have to take perfectly well-functioning templates from Wikipedia and need to re-engineer them and re-debug them, and to have this switched off in the Template namespace of all places.
Personally, I'm OK that it is this way & Hope any importation from our sister-sites, especially from WP, forces review, reflection, reconsideration, etc. for the need, wisdom or even usefulness of such imports (keeping in mind the mission of WS vs. our sister-sites that is). -- George Orwell III (talk) 11:10, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Even if there's a need for some templates to have this turned off, it seems like we could simply also have a second namespace for putting templates in that has the subpage feature turned on... heck, another possible workaround for the time being would be to simply put templates imported from Wikipedia into Project: or some other sparsely-used namespace where you won't have to go to the trouble of rewriting them. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 10:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Bugzilla:26787 They are statements of fact, not judgements. I also agree with George Orwell III's reflections that we are trying to streamline the templates that we have, not to unnecessarily add more nor layers of complexity, nor take people offsite, ... We want the text in the works to rule, not the formatting, not overly complex templates nor more bells and whistles. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:27, 18 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Unfortunately, some folks consistently view WS as sub-tier rather than complimentary to the other Wikis and constantly treat it like some virtual unwanted step-child - importing, (re)directing or injecting some percieved benefit without actually investigating if any such thing is even possible or warranted first. It seems the real reason this issue has come up again was the recent importation of WP's bloated Documentation for Template: templates without checking to see if Sandboxes and Test-cases actually work as advertised. -- George Orwell III (talk) 11:17, 18 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Yeah, certainly, it's great to streamline and all, but obviously rewriting and re-debugging existing code to use some workaround that re-implements {(BASEPAGENAME)} and {(SUBPAGENAME)} via a {(SUBJECTSPACE)}-based or #titleparts-based or some other hack has nothing to do at all with streamlining... in fact it distracts you from spending time on worthwhile things like streamlining, especially when someone who is familiar with Wikipedia has to spend hours tracking down why the hell code that works on Wikipedia won't work on Wikisource, even to get simple sandbox or testcase notices working. I only just tracked down this subspace problem recently of course but recalling earlier bizarre issues I've encountered working on stuff here at Wikisource I wouldn't be surprised if this has been tripping me up for years.

In any case, I'm glad to see the Bugzilla issue filed, thanks billinghurst.

Of course, if you guys really care about streamlining, the place to start is MediaWiki itself. That thing is a county fair eating contest buffet of spaghetti code. Maybe we should move Wikisource over to something like JAMWiki, the Java-based reimplementation of MW... it's pretty clean and lean and sharp, all Spring-based and enterprisey and everything. The templating code isn't 100% compatible with MW yet but you guys wouldn't mind rewriting every single Wikisource template, would ya? For the sake of streamlining?  ;^) I'd be up for it! JAMWiki is pretty cool.

(In all seriousness, though, if there are any genuine projects in the works to attack template code efficiency or projects to re-implement large Wikipedia templates better, let me know, I'd be willing to lend a hand.)

(P.S.: billinghurst's related Scriptorium discussion.) --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 04:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Poem running across two pages

Hi. I need help with this poem running across two transcluded pages. Familiar Letters of Henry David Thoreau/Introduction. Cheers. P. S. Burton (talk) 11:30, 18 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is the information at Template:Float_center#Spanning_multiple_pages what you're looking for? --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 12:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Check the transclusion again now - Float Center (now Block Center btw - updated not too long ago) is really just a table aligned center. It doesn't play well across page breaks with content of a poem class apparently. -- George Orwell III (talk) 12:33, 18 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
{{block center/s}} and {{block center/e}}. Note that with <poem> can be a little problematic, so you may need to keep the open and close tags aligned with the succeeding or preceding text. We have plenty example through poetic work on how we make it work. Biggest issue is when you have two separate block centers on a page as they are hard to align, and I find that adding {{gap}} to the end of the longest line, can nudge a centering. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:22, 18 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! —P. S. Burton (talk) 16:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]


This is a new section, and there is a new subpage. I thought that Wikisource:Requests for assistance covered this area, can't we just link that at the top and do away for redundant pages. cygnis insignis 08:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I find that I have posted to the subpage, if that is evidence of the confusion it generates. cygnis insignis 08:54, 22 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ex. main

scratch pad for duplication issue of the WS:S#Help section and WS:S/H subpage titled Help

  • WS:S TOC --> #Help --> Scroll to and edit Ex. Main --> this line --> preview --> save

Ex. Sub

Clicking on tab at top that adds new section after very last section from Help subpage

Clicking on [edit] link to the right of the ==Ex. Sub== sub-section to the main section titled #Help on top-level Scriptorium page.

Oh I give up already - still duplicates itself and watches the sub-page instead of the sub-section.

George Orwell III (talk) 22:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page:Horse shoes and horse shoeing.djvu/130

Into Page:Horse shoes and horse shoeing.djvu/130 there's a special image; I remembere a talk aboutthis kind of images, I splitted it into two pieces, I obtained too a pretty good wrapping of the text but I can't avoid some vertical spacing between the two chunks of image. Help would be appreciated! Thanks. --Alex brollo (talk) 08:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The File: image-space always seems to inject an extra-line or extra-padding when the built in parameter-value |right is used. The work-around is to remove the |right parameter and wrap the whole image in {{float right}} instead. I've done this for you already and, of course, usage of that template at the very first line in the page-text field interferes with transclusion by inserting an unwanted line break. I moved the image(s) to the end of the paragraph line-fragment from the previous page and this allowed everything to display correctly in both namespaces (well unless you are viewing in a non-standard resolution/font-size that is). Unfortunately, this work-around means your image "starts" one line "lower" than it does in the original scan -- but nobody should care about that because the image happens to be Figure 6. which should "appear" after the line pointing to Figure 6. anyway. — George Orwell III (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Perfect, thank you! Exactly what I'd like to get. --Alex brollo (talk) 10:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Anytime. Just in case it makes any difference at some point, your |padding=0px is an unrecognized parameter and merely becomes the alt= text. Just hover your mouse-pointer over the image file(s) to see what I mean.

Also, the practice around here of making every bloody <div> inherit backgrounds, colors and other attributes from prior tags in the tree by "default" will most likely mean your image background is going to be "forced" to white (rather than 'background:none; background-color:transparent;') somewhere along the way as well.

Thanks. Inherit conventions are both userul and tricky; yer you're right, my padding= was only a test, while trying anithing… well, that interesting image deserved some more care, so I reloaded a better cropped couple of images and I put a HTML comment into the text,to help any contributor to get a perfect match even if, in the future, images will be redim. Thanks again. --Alex brollo (talk) 11:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Don't thank me so fast... I had a feeling that 2 slices of the same image wouldn't display correctly under this work-around. The bottom image is still set to |right which introduces another div wrapper (with what I believe would be a redundant 'floatright' class in light of the float-right template being used). This may be forcing text that should be wrapping as smoothly around the image as it does in the top-half image not to wrap but to justify prematurely for the bottom-half image. -- text is too far over to the left in relation to the bottom image basically.

Is it absolutely necessary to cut the image in two or does that make the top half's width the same as the bottom's is now (or something just as non-transparent as that could be)? — George Orwell III (talk) 13:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

:-) As you guess, here I am to learn too (and to rob anything I can to import it into it.source :-) ) So, yes, I could post a single image but I'd miss the opportunity to test a trick that I saw somewhere and that IMHO deserves to be known (it's absoluteli necessary to render some "liberty" pages where text is bordered by complex drawings).
About this specific image: as usual, its display is different with different browsers. It's almost perfect under Firefox and Chrome, I see a bad display using IE 6. No matter: I hope that this bad result will encourage IE users to leave that browser. ;-) --Alex brollo (talk) 13:21, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No matter. The template was too inflexible so I used striaght html and the text wrapped just fine - until you expanded the base image-size. I be just as at fault if I didn't remind you - text content is first & foremost; all other concerns are secondary (including image-shop).

I have nothing constructive to respond with to the browser prejudice. — George Orwell III (talk) 14:27, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to manage an Index that is a collection of different works

I just uploaded into Commons (with a wrong name, renaming pending… :-( ) File:The works of Xenophon Vol III Part II.djvu. It's the collection of three different works of Xenophon:

  • On the duties of a cavalry general (Hipparchius)
  • On horsemanship (Hippicus)
  • On hunting

Into it.source, the header of ns0 transclusions contains an explicit link to Index, so it's simple to address different works into the same Index, but here into en.source I don't find such a parameter into header template; how can I link ns0 works to the unique Index file? And what I'd do, if I ever met the other many-to-one relationship, t.i. a ns0 work which comes from multiple Index pages? --Alex brollo (talk) 14:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

When a Page: ns page is transcluded into the main namespace, the /‾Source‾\ tab is automatically added, that links to Index, and the page numbers on the LHS link through to Page: ns. It was thought unnecessary to add further links. For links to index files, we have been using {{small scan link}} Billinghurst (talk) 12:53, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Baird's Manual of American Fraternities has had multiple editions (20 between the first in 1879 and today). Of those 9 are out of copyright. There is a link on the Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities page to the 1879 version which has been added to wikisource, but the other 8 are redlinks. However books google has at least a few of those other 8. What should be done with those links:

  • A) replace the redlinks with the links to books google (unlikely),
  • B) Add a link to books google at the end of the line,
  • C) Simply make a note on the talk page,
  • D) Nothing,
  • E) Something else?

Naraht (talk) 14:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We would not link to the books in Google or from the main namespace, we would leave them as redlinks. Comment away on the talk pages, we encourage their use for relevant information, and are not particularly restrictive on their content. *If* there is an author page or portal namespace, we would have the work's name (red linked, or not) and often utilise {{ext scan link}} to point outwards. OOOOOORRRRRRR We can look to load the djvu files to Commons, and start working on them as transcriptions. Billinghurst (talk) 12:59, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tag Filter into Recent Changes

I saw a interesting tag filter into recent Changes page. Where comes it from? Does it need a specific installation/extension? It.source lacks it. --Alex brollo (talk) 11:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alex, which abuse filter was of interest? I would presume that the abuse filters are active on your wiki, though you may need to give yourself the permission to access and edit through. Billinghurst (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

US & international copyright - legal issue

I would like to publlish in plwikisource a book that is a Polish translation of US one, but have some doubts of its copyright status (whether it would be or not an infringement of US copyrigt law). Some information:

  • The original source was published in US in 1900
  • The autor of the original source died in 1952 (John Dewey)
adapts to {{PD/1923|1952}}
I am not interested in publishing the original work, so it is only interesting for me whether its copyright inflicts the copyright of the translation.
  • The translation was published between 1929 and 1936 (exact date not claimed and not known) without copyright notice
this is the tricky one ... where was it published? If in Poland and in that year, and not in US, then this this could be a range of answers (see below)
  • The translator died in 1940.
this may put it out of copyright prior to 1996 and if it was out in 1996 then it should be out

Under Polish copyright law the translator and publisher rights expired (70 years). But there is a problem resolving the original (US) author's rights.
Under Polish copyright law his rights may be expired if the rights to the original work also expired (pre-1923; when expired? did they ever exist?).
And also it may be still under international copyright if the translation is under US copyright.

Could anybody here help me to resolve this issue? I was directed here by a lawyer from plwikisource who does not know US copyright law. Ankry (talk) 08:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some questions first. Was the work only published in Poland, or do you know if it was published in US and, if so, when. At what year did Poland adopt 70 years as the period of copyright? If it prior to 1996, if so what was the previous period?billinghurst sDrewth 10:53, 9 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
AFAIK the translation was published only in Poland. The 70 year period was introduced in 2000; it was 50 years earlier (since 1994), 25 years (since 1952) and 50 years (since 1926). However I am not sure whether the date is important as the newest copyright law restores copyright that expired earlier (under 1994 or 1952 law). However the subject of Polish copyright are only works
  • published in Poland
  • published by people living in Poland or by Polish citizens
  • published in Polish language (by anybody and anywhere in the world)
So the original text by Dewey (in English) is not directly the subject of Polish copyright law.
Ankry (talk) 19:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would have said that for America it came out of copyright in either 1965 or 1990, based upon > "Works First Published Outside the U.S. by Foreign Nationals or U.S. Citizens Living Abroad" > 1923 through 1977 > "Solely published abroad, without compliance with US formalities or republication in the US, and not in the public domain in its home country as of 1 January 1996". You have cited that it was in the public domain, and that line does not talk about any restorative powers.

There are many ifs and buts with this example, and probably needs a real expert with access to court rulings to be more authoritative. Billinghurst (talk) 12:39, 14 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree generally with Billinghurst, the Dewey work is out of copyright; the translation depends on Polish law, not US law, per the table that he cites - which I also reference frequently and Cornell is the best source of US code references on line (but I only just noticed it sources some of its data to Wikipedia!). If the translation is in the public domain in Poland then it is in the public domain in the US, assuming the lack of formalities is correct, etc. On the other hand, if it is not in the public domain in Poland then it remains under copyright in the US as well until it comes out of copyright in Poland (or 95 years from publication - at least 2024 from what you've given us). Bottom line, you'll need to know when its copyright status in Poland. If you can't raise anyone knowledgeable on the Polish Wikisource, you might try the Polish Wikipedia. It would be helpful to anyone looking into it if you provide a link to an electronic version or at least the relevant bibliographic data - this would be especially important so we could establish with some confidence that it wasn't ever published in the US.--Doug.(talk contribs) 21:37, 11 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help needed, How do I embedd my Google Map or add a link to it in Wikipedia?

The source coding of Wikipedia seems totally different than what I am accustomed. So as a new contributor, I feel uncomfortable editing the source code. I was very surprised to see that makin edits or contributions was to be done to the live source code. Also, can Wikipedia handle an embedded interactive map with 100 points of interest, that has links back to Wikipedia for each location pin pointed, and expects it to handle zooming in close to see an actual ruin or geological feature?

So, here are examples of some Google Maps I created based on the content of books I have read:

My embedded code looks like this:

<iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src=",-36.5625&spn=102.619942,149.414063&t=h&z=2&output=embed"></iframe>
View <a href=",-36.5625&spn=102.619942,149.414063&t=h&z=2&source=embed" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left">Interactive Map of the Adventures of Charles Darwin 1832-1836</a> in a larger map

My direct link to Google Maps, looks like this:,5.273438&spn=92.262416,240.117188&z=2

You cancontact me at PragmaticStatistic @

Probably best that you ask that question over at Wikipedia, specifically Wikipedia:Help desk Billinghurst (talk) 15:27, 17 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Special cases for {{nop}}

There are numerous paragraphs in some recurring sections of PSM which need to be preceded by two empty lines. — When such a paragraph begins on top of the page, I used {{[[Template:nInsert non-formatted text hereop|nInsert non-formatted text hereop]]}} twice at the end of a preceding page as I did here. But, I have doubt if this will be correct in the main namespace. Can someone please comment?— Ineuw talk 00:39, 20 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

One line

… end of line.

Two lines

… end of line.


Two returns and a nop will give the two empty lines. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 01:15, 20 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks.— Ineuw talk 01:35, 20 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Could one use {{nop}} at the top of the page? It would certainly make thigs faster, easier and less error prone.— Ineuw talk 03:01, 24 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The template was put at the end of the page to be less obtrusive, and generally you know when you get to the bottom of the page whether you are at the end of the paragraph. The template is just a placeholder, nothing more, it stops the concluding hard returns from being stripped. If you use the regex too, you can copy my script that sticks {{nop}} on a new line at the end of the page. Billinghurst (talk) 12:45, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

subpage header

I am trying to use {{subpage header}} on The Romance of Isabel, Lady Burton/Book I (and the other two books related) so that it auto-populates the "This is Chapter two, click here for Chapter one and here for Chapter three" fields in the header and everything...a book with 75 chapters across three books, really not wanting to populate them manually with copy/paste 300 times. Could somebody somehow make that work and throw them on there, maybe with a bot or something? TheSkullOfRFBurton (talk) 20:24, 22 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The header has never been taken out of experimental, so it is not recommended for use. I have a little script that works through the regex gadget, so sits on my left hand sidebar. You can grab it out of User:Billinghurst/monobook.js, or if you want it added, then turn your gadget on, and identify which skin you are using and I will look to get it done for you. Billinghurst (talk) 12:40, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Transcription of old map text

Hello all,

I am completely new here, so bear with me :).

  1. I am looking to transcribe the text that I found on an old map (namely [[:File:1795 D'Anville Wall Map of South America - Geographicus - SouthAmerica-laruiewhittle-1794.jpg|this map) and I was wondering how to go about this.
    • Should I start a page here on Wikisource? If yes, where? How? Can anyone point me in the right direction?
    • If not, where do you think the best place to put this text would be? (This is an interesting text about trade in South America from 1794)
  2. I'm not familiar with old script, so I'm looking for two letters.
    • One is the "f" that used to mark the use of double "s" (looks like a "forte" in music)
    • The other one seems to be a "y" with a diacritic (a c?) on top which seems to replace the article "the" in some places. (you can see it on the map, towards the end of the first paragraph, for example).

Any ideas? Thanks in advance for your help. notafish (talk) 09:09, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've been bold and started here. Any improvements welcome. Thanks! notafish (talk) 10:05, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are looking for a long s, generally we don't encourage its use as it can have an effect on readability, though for such a work, one can understand it wanting to be used. &#383; gives ſ. For "the" it will probably be a variant of ye which you can just do with a ye (full story at w:Thorn_(letter)). As I per my prior comment on your talk page … nice! I am now wondering whether we could or should have portal for maps and or South America. Billinghurst (talk) 12:29, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for this. There was a massive import of old maps on Commons lately, and I am sure there are many more maps with this kind of interesting text content that would be interesting to Wikisource. I'm not sure about a portal, but at least a category or an Index entry (not sure yet exactly what the index is all about ;)) might be appropriate. notafish (talk) 13:29, 30 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There exists a template {{long s}}, that will create the medial S. 01:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Problem with rh or just me?

I seem to have stuffed up with {{rh}} in the pages transcluded into Spiritualism:_A_Popular_History_from_1847/Chapter_I but can't work out how. I have been putting it in manually at the top of the page as the header/footer toggle isn't working. Any suggestions? (I'll stop using rh for now & fix those pages myself once I work it out.)Misarxist (talk) 10:22, 11 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The rh needs to be placed in the header. I placed it in the first page as an example.— Ineuw talk 21:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Getting the number of proofread pages for a work, as an integer?

While working on User:MichelleG/Language Books, I started wondering whether there was a way I could automatically get the number of proofread pages from a particular work, similar to the tiny chart at the upper left of the source page (for example, here). This would mean I don't have to continually update my table as new books are added. Is that possible? MichelleG (talk) 08:56, 17 April 2011 (UTC).Reply[reply]

There is no means to grab that information and import to a webpage. You can lists works against a keyword, even one that you manually add to the Index page. This link has the text "NovemberPOTM" added to the page, and after it goes through its daily index update you will find that you can generate a like page. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:37, 11 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

help with formatting

What is the formatting for indenting the margin from the right as is needed on this Page:The cruise of the Corwin.djvu/72?

[Steamer Corwin,
Tapkan, Siberia, May 31, 1881.]

should be off to the right. But Steamer Corwin has a gap before the right margin.

Thanks, Mattisse (talk) 19:19, 20 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you look at previous proofread pages of the book, you’ll notice that the margin widths constantly shift from page to page. Also, there is something wrong because in an original, the evenly numbered page normally would have the wider margin on the right to compensate for the binding. So, I wouldn’t be concerned with the page margins being different. Also, the final article in the Wikisource main namespace will be a single page and displayed in the standard format.— Ineuw talk 20:03, 20 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

P.S: One must also consider the book’s position on the scanner.— Ineuw talk 20:16, 20 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! All this is over my head. I will stop working with he djvu. Mattisse (talk) 22:22, 20 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, don't stop. Ineuw thought you were talking about the page margins rather than just those two lines of text. The template you want is {{block right}}. I've done that page for you so you can see how it works. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:54, 20 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, please don’t stop. User:Beeswaxcandle was right on about my comment. Sorry for the misunderstanding.— Ineuw talk 00:08, 21 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]


How do you indent text? - Presidentman (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Never mind. - Presidentman (talk) 21:02, 22 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Categories are not showing up

Can someone please look at this page The Primary Concepts of Modern Physical Science III why the categories are not showing up? Thanks.— Ineuw talk 03:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looks like there was no backslash to properly "close" the <pages /> tag and that somehow caused some CATs to be 'no included'. — George Orwell III (talk) 03:35, 24 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you!!! — Ineuw talk 03:56, 24 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Scanned images don't produce text for proof reading

After more-or-less an absence of a year, I find that I've returned to putter away at James Bruce's Travels to Discover the Source of the Nile: in the Years 1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, and 1773. (After some many months of banging my head against the brick wall of the English Wikipedia, sometimes it's a pleasant vacation to come over here & just proofread OCR output.) In this case, however, whenever I try to obtain some OCR text in volume 2, all I get is a blank field when I click on the djvu link. I've tried the obvious things -- refresh the page, click on the "OCR" button, etc. -- but all I get in the field is the single word "undefined". I haven't encountered this with the other two volumes of Bruce I've worked on.

What's going on? Am I doing the wrong thing? Did the OCR output vanish from this specific book for reasons only the developer know? Or is this simply something explained in the FM, which I haven't needed to R? (If the latter, please point me to the proper page.) -- Llywrch (talk) 01:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bott request

Can whoever ran User:ThomasBot on Alabama State Constitution of 1901 do so again to Alabama State Constitution of 1901/Amendments 801-900 if they still have the regex used? 03:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Picture upgrade not taking

I upgraded General Grant's picture at Wikimedia Commons on May 26. The new version displays for File:Appletons' Grant Ulysses frontispiece.jpg, but the page it is displayed on, Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography/Volume II. Crane-Grimshaw, still displays the old version. Is there anyway I can move the database server along to display the new version? I don't think it is a problem with my browser cache. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 21:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The solution is just to wait apparently. The right picture is showing now. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 11:43, 8 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I did better with File:Appletons' Sherman William Tecumseh frontispiece.jpg. I posted an update to that on June 11, and today I first saw it updated at Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography/Volume V. Pickering-Sumter. Must be a backlog or something. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 17:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You might try purging your cache and/or refreshing the page? -- Cirt (talk) 04:45, 2 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Possible to use an image as a border for a DjVu transcription?

I'm currently transcribing The Rough Riders by Theodore Roosevelt, and the title page has a decorative border. I've isolated the border very cleanly in Photoshop, and I was wondering:

1. Should I try to include this image on the transcribed page if I can?

2. How can I do so?

Thanks! Polyglottalstop (talk) 21:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is not necessary to add the border but if you want to you could try:
  1. Cutting the image into four pieces and arranging them in a table around the text (putting the text in the centre of the table). For more information, try Wikipedia:Help:Tables.
  2. Copying the method used in Page:Howells, Stops of Various Quills, 1895 037.jpg (using HTML/cascading style sheet (CSS) code to overlap the text and image).
I can't guarantee either will work or, if it does, how well they might work; these are the only ideas I have right now. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copyright help

I'm relatively new to this project and need help figuring out copyright status of two volumes of the American Stud Book. One is a copyright 1924 (volume 13) edition put out by The Jockey Club and the other is a 1932 edition. I have checked the Reuters and Sanford copyright databases and did not find the books listed. Would these editions be eligible for inclusion under failure to renew copyright? Froggerlaura (talk) 16:57, 6 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • As an amendment to my original question, I also looked at the renewal records for periodicals published in 1924 and 1932 (1951-1953 and 1960-1963) and I did not see a renewal for either edition. I did however see renewals for editions published 4-5 years earlier, so I'm wondering if there are other rules in place besides renewal in the 28th year for this serial? Froggerlaura (talk) 23:19, 6 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can't find any copyright renewals either so it looks like they are good for inclusion. I'm not aware of any variance to the 28 year rule. Were they supplements to earlier editions? I noticed a few while searching; it looks like they were not published in the year the title would suggest. (Sorry for the delay in responding, by the way.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The renewals I found while searching for the 1924 edition (1950-1953 renewals) were for the 1947 stud book. I only uploaded the title page because I didn't want numerous pages to be tagged if they were infringing on copyright. When I tried to add pages and expand table of contents, it will not let me link anymore pages. I am fairly new to the coding used on this project. Is there a specific help page I could to refer too? I have been to the basic uploading help pages, but they do not go into creating a table of contents. I would also like to skip around in uploading pages as the book is very large (900 pages) to first include more helpful/important pages. Froggerlaura (talk) 02:20, 2 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A lack of help pages is currently a known problem on Wikisource. The closest ones that may help are Help:DjVu files or maybe Help:Proofread but neither may directly address the problem. Otherwise: The DjVu file is just one file that contains all of the pages in the book, so you would have to upload a new version over the current copy of the file to add more pages. It is possible to create an Index: page from individual images but, at 900 pages, I wouldn't recommend it. The Wikisource software should then automatically generate a list of pages at Index:American Stud Book Volume XIII (1924).djvu (for comparison, it will look something like Index:Picturesque Nepal.djvu). You will be able to click on any of the pages, so you could skip around as you please. Do you have a DjVu file of the entire book? If so, upload that. If not, what format are your pages in at the moment? You should be able to create a DjVu from the pages you have. If you want to practice skipping around and proofreading pages to get a feel for the process, try the Picturesque Nepal link (it's the current Proofread of the Month). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 01:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hair dyes

Good day, I am a volunteer and accompany a lady to the hospital for various chemo treatments. She has had breast cancer for the past 4 years and last August was operated for a brain tumour. Her hais is now approx 1"long, she has a product similar to Loving Care, when can she put this product in her hair, her doctor is male and doesn't comment when asked. This would mean a lot to her since she only goes out for hospital appts and is a person who is very proud of her appearance. Thank you so much for your prompt reply.

  • This is not really an appropriate question for Wikisource, which deals mostly with problems related to uploading or cataloging documents on Wikisource, but assuming this is not a joke, here are some links. Dyes should never be used while a patient is actively receiving chemo. But after chemo is finished, the American Hair Loss Council [1], they advise using semi-permanent vs. permanent dye as it is less damaging. The American Cancer Society [2] and the Trichological Society advocate waiting up to 6 months before dyeing hair or using henna based dyes instead [3]. The hair and scalp should be normal before dyeing, usually 6 cm minimum length. Froggerlaura (talk) 21:12, 8 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2 questions

1. I was looking at template:populate and template:initials and wanted to move pages like Author:W. M. E. Miller to their full name but do not know how to move them?

2. Author:Thomas Mann is a shame, such an author, nobody has added any works...could we do something about this? 20:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  1. There should be a small downward-pointing triangle icon near the top the the page, in between the "favourite" star and the search box. If you hover your mouse pointer over that, a "Move" link will appear. Click that and follow the instructions on the move page.
  2. You could add one. There are scanned books on Copy a DjVu file to Wikimedia Commons, create a matching Index page and start proofreading! - AdamBMorgan (talk) 20:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
However, most of the links at are to the German originals, not to English translations, and German Wikisource won't start accepting works by Thomas Mann until 2026. But if you find an English translation that was published before 1923, we can finally turn one of those red links blue. Angr 21:56, 6 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

about engineering

hi my name is taking which type of branch i can have the more techinical knowledge&skill help me with in 2 day's

FBI and US government documents on the Rajneesh movement

I am new here. The following is a link to the FBI and police reports, as well as government documents on the Indian guru Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh and his commune at Rajneeshpuram, Oregon. As such, i request any knowledgeable editor to upload the documents which fall under the public domain. Thanks.

Joyson Noel (talk) 10:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • As these are not text files, but scans, would the correct place not be Commons, rather than Wikisource? (I am new here as well. :) ) --Jayen466 (talk) 19:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Note that many of these documents are not authored by the federal government of the United States and may not in the public domain. Documents from Governors, and other state officials, for example, are not in the public domain unless some other rule applies.--Doug.(talk contribs) 21:49, 11 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

European Public Domain Rules

Hello! I saw that Freud entered public domain since Jan. 2010 and I was directed to Wikisource. Still, when I browsed through "The Interpretation of Dreams" in English, all I found was the contents page. I was wondering if all that is needed is someone to copy-paste from a translation that has entered the public domain as well (i.e. that is more than 70 years old), because I could do that.

Ovidiu (in case replies to this don't light a bulb or smth in my wikipedia menus)

First, Wikisource is based in the United States and must obey US law; the EU has no jurisdiction over this project. However, The Interpretation of Dreams was published in 1900 so it is in the public domain in the US regardless of any EU rules. The problem is just that the Wikisource page was never finished. So, yes, you could add a public domain translation. (A DjVu-format scan of a public domain translation would be better than copy-and-paste, if possible.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In fact, there's a 1913 translation of the third edition on - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How reliable are's PD assertions?

When says here that a 1959 translation (published in the United States with a copyright notice) is "not in copyright", can I trust them to have checked that the copyright wasn't renewed 28 years later and that therefore the text is PD? Alternatively, can someone who knows where and how to check that sort of thing see whether this translation was renewed? Thanks. Angr 17:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Their licences are chosen by whoever uploaded it, so as reliable or not as Wikisource. Perhaps less, as I don't think more knowledgeable third parties can edit there. In this case, I am suspicious. Stanford records a renewal in 1987; as does the US copyright office's online catalogue. On the other hand, the page says it comes from the University of California, instead of a random guy on the internet, so they might know something that I don't. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 20:41, 6 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, the Stanford link is sufficient for me not to upload it here. Frankly, I think their uploader was thinking of the original rather than the translation when he said "Not in copyright". Thanks for your help! Angr 21:51, 6 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rename djvu file

Hi, it seems that I did not check the spelling of a djvu file that I uploaded carefully enough. It hasn't been used in anything, yet, although I did create the index file and proofread some pages. How would I go about fixing that? The file is File:Reports of Cases DC Circuit Court 1840-1863 .djvu. There is a stray space at the end, after 1863 and before .djvu. Also, this is volume two of that series, so it would be best if it could be renamed Reports of Cases DC Circuit Court 1840-1863, Volume 2.djvu. How does one do this sort of thing? RJC (talk) 15:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you go to its Commons image description page at commons:File:Reports of Cases DC Circuit Court 1840-1863_.djvu, in the upper right-hand corner, just to the left of the Search box, there's a little arrow pointing down. If you mouse over that, you'll see the "Move" option for the image, same as for any other page (unless you're not auto-confirmed on Commons yet). Angr 18:15, 12 July 2011 (UTC)= Help =Reply[reply]

Color coding and arrows in Index and Page namespaces

Over at Welsh Wikisource, the Index: and Page: namespaces have been activated (e.g. cy:Index:Y bibl cyssegr-lan.djvu and cy:Page:Y bibl cyssegr-lan.djvu/17), but they don't have all the features the same namespaces here have. So I'm wondering, what can I (as an admin at cy-ws who can edit MediaWiki: namespace) do to get the gray/red/purple/yellow/green color coding on Index: and Page: pages, and to get the left and right point arrows on Page: pages? Are there MediaWiki pages here at en-ws I can copy and paste over there? Angr 11:51, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The color coding is in MediaWiki:Common.css. The relevant lines are
/* ProofreadPage */
.quality4 { background-color: #90ff90; }
.quality3 { background-color: #ffe867; }
.quality2 { background-color: #b0b0ff; }
.quality1 { background-color: #ffa0a0; }
.quality0 { background-color: #ddd; }
If you copy those to your local common.css, the color coding should appear.
The navigation arrows are a little trickier. If I remember correctly they will appear once seperate page and index namespace are created and that doesn't seem to be have done on cy.wikisource. It is not something a regular administrator can do so you'll have to ask the sysadmins for help by creating a request at You may want to switch to whatever the Welsh words for index and page are, though. You just have to make the names you use match with contents of MediaWiki:Proofreadpage namespace and MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index namespace. While it is perfectly possible to translate those by editing the mediawiki namespace, the recommended way is to use translatewiki. All the proofreadpage messages are available there at (translations made on translatewiki are usually copied to the wikimedia sites within a day, so it's only a little bit slower and then the Welsh interface messages will also be available outside Welsh wikisource).
Hope that helps. Peter Alberti (talk) 12:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My knowledge of Welsh is good enough to translate isolated terms like "Index" and "Page" but not nearly good enough for complete sentences like "You are not allowed to change the proofreading status of this page", so I'll leave the translating to someone else. I'll look into creating a bugzilla request. Thanks for your help! Angr 15:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to move to a language subdomain?

How do I move a text from one language subdomain to another?

Article cannot be navigated

Hello - this is my first visit to wikisource. I was trying to read [4], but am unable to navigate the document. The table of contents is not hotlinked, and it's only possible to navigate 2 pages forward before the navigation link in the top right corner disappears. I have tried both Firefox and IE. Is this article "broken"? Thank you unsigned comment by (talk) .

Unfortunately this document has only been partly transcribed. The remainder is waiting to be worked on at Index:Report_of_the_Board_of_Inquiry_into_the_Helderberg_air_disaster.djvu. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've added wikilinks so the main TOC is actually functional and indicates the level of completion without having to dig into the workspace. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 11:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for that, I had kind of forgotten that I uploaded this! Incidentally, for the original questioner, you can also download a PDF of the whole report from the CAA at [5]. - Htonl (talk) 01:17, 12 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Weird problem with page transclusion

Can anyone figure out why on a number of works the page number links and the "Source" tab aren't showing up? For example on South Africa Act, 1909, Further Amendment Act, 1925 they aren't there, whereas they are visible on, for example, South Africa Act, 1909, Amendment Act, 1925. It also affects the display of the sidenotes if you choose Layout 2. It seems like perhaps some javascript isn't loading properly? - Htonl (talk) 01:14, 12 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looks like a server-side problem. Although it's properly transcluding from the page namespace, it isn't emitting the code that brings in the ext.proofreadpage.article jQuery plugin or sets the source variable. Prosody (talk) 03:15, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Took a peek at the proofreadpage source code. I'm fairly certain this bug can be traced to prepareArticle (it either terminates early after failing condition or $indextitle isn't set as a result of earlier conditions failing). Exactly where I dunno, there are a lot of tests in that function which can end in failure. Prosody (talk) 22:22, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am now thorougly confused. In an attempt to find out what was triggering the bug, I deleted and then restored most of the contents of Page:South Africa Act 1909 Further Amendment Act 1925.djvu/1, and in the process the bug went away (for that page). The source of both Page:South Africa Act 1909 Further Amendment Act 1925.djvu/1 and South Africa Act, 1909, Further Amendment Act, 1925 are identical to what they were on 19 August, when it wasn't working, and yet now it is working. Huh?! - Htonl (talk) 14:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Clarity emerges. It seems a simple null edit on the mainspace work where the pages are transcluded fixes the problem. - Htonl (talk) 14:14, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copyright exemptions in China (public domain)

Are newspaper articles published in China public domain? The Copyright Law of the People's Republic of China (1990) article 5 says: 

"This law shall not be applicable to:
  1. laws; regulations; resolutions, decisions and orders of state organs; other documents of legislative, administrative and judicial nature; and their official translations;
  2. news on current affairs; and
  3. calendars, numerical tables, forms of general use and formulas."

Is it correct to read that as meaning news articles are not protected by copyright in China? Commons:Licensing#China, People's Republic of would appear to reinforce this but I hesitate because it seems rather odd to exempt newspaper articles from copyright and Help:Public domain mentions only the first item in the exempted list. Metal.lunchbox (talk) 23:30, 20 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Jusjih might be able to help. I don't know the answer myself and, after looking around the internet a bit, cannot find anything to clear this up. However, given that 1 and 3 seem to refer just to basic data and information, I suspect that 2 refers to the same. This is, I stress, just a guess but possibly this means that it isn't possible to copyright the fact of, for example, an earthquake; while the actual prose used in reporting remains under copyright. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 16:20, 25 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I suspect - and it's only a guess - that what is being referred to is what the Berne Convention calls "news of the day or [...] miscellaneous facts having the character of mere items of press information". Which, as I understand it, would not by any means cover all newspaper articles. - Htonl (talk) 20:51, 25 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah I suspected as much which is why I say it seems rather odd, but where exactly is that line between "the mere facts" and an entire short, dryly written newspaper article in terms of what is and is not copyrighted. Can I assume that any article no matter how much it may seem like its just the mere facts, is not completely exempted from copyright in China? Metal.lunchbox (talk) 07:25, 29 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The news on current affairs is exempt from PRC copyright only if being the mere facts or happenings reported by the mass media, such as newspapers, periodicals and radio and television stations as defined in Article 5 of the Implementing Regulations of the Copyright Law of the People's Republic of China. The mere facts mean very simple descriptions. A simple sentence like "Virginia, USA had an earthquake in 2011" would be the mere fact, but most news reports are so lengthy with many paragraphs with creative efforts, thus copyrightable as beyond mere facts. Furthermore, images and videos in news reports tend to have creative efforts, so they do not qualify as mere facts. As the conclusion, newspaper articles published in China are normally NOT in public domain by default.--Jusjih (talk) 11:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC) (the Chinese-speaking administrator here)Reply[reply]
Thank you for clarifying this issue for me. I suspected as much and it looks like the other editors participating in this discussion did as well but I needed something a little more conclusive. Metal.lunchbox (talk) 21:04, 13 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

how to get rid of mice and or rats

cannot figure out what you mean or how to create a header - advice?

Have a look at {{header}} for the requisite information, and if you just want a copy of something to copy, then please grab what is available within Template:header/preloadbillinghurst sDrewth 16:19, 25 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have played with one of our gadgets, and it should now be the default if you are creating a page in the main namespace. — billinghurst sDrewth

Category or index?

Enwiki has a Wikisource, a Wikisourcecat and a Wikisource index template. My question is, with regard to the Wikisource page The Odyssey, is it a category or an index (or just a normal page)? Thanks. It Is Me Here t / c 13:40, 4 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Normal page. Wikisource will link to it. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 15:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In which case, what would an index be? It Is Me Here t / c 17:34, 4 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
An index is anything in the Portal namespace, i.e. anything whose title begins with "Portal:". We should probably rename that Wikipedia template. - Htonl (talk) 18:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would support that - from the title I thought it referred to "disambiguation pages", as it were (or versions pages, as it would appear they are called here). It Is Me Here t / c18:37, 10 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To note that the rename occurred at enWP. — billinghurst sDrewth 16:19, 25 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category names

Can category names be changed like on Wikipedia? - Presidentman (talk) 00:51, 12 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you mean the actual names of the Categories? Or do you mean the process to change categories on a work? Answer to the first is no, but that is generally the same for all WMF wikis. The answer to the second is yes. Is there a specific lot of categories of concern? — billinghurst sDrewth 01:24, 12 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What do you mean by "on a work"? - Presidentman (talk) 00:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Work" is Wikisource-speak for "Article"; changing the categories on an article/work just involves editing the page (or using the HotCat gadget, if you have enabled it)—just like Wikipedia. "Editing" the name of a category is also the same as Wikipedia: creating a new category, moving everything to this category and deleting the original category. We don't have a "Categories for Deletion" but you can raise something at Wikisource:Proposed deletions. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 10:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikisource:For Wikipediansbillinghurst sDrewth 13:39, 13 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is there something similar to Categories for disscusion on Wikipedia? - Presidentman (talk) 01:06, 14 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No. We just use the one page. Smaller community. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:14, 14 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've added this to Wikisource:For Wikipedians in case someone else has the same query. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 13:10, 14 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A Dictionary of Music and Musicians

I'm interested in helping with proofreading and validating Grove's "A Dictionary of Music and Musicians". Is there info/history that it would be helpful to know about this project? I've encountered a couple things so far that I don't understand - (1) at A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians/Vol_1, the pages are not actually transcluded, instead information is coming from User:ThomasBot/dict/A Dictionary of Music and Musicians vol 1.djvu and (2) please see my recent edits at Page:A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians_vol_1.djvu/18 - it seems that, when I edit, section begin tags may either appear as ## or are being changed to ## - after studying it more I tried to just undo my first edit, which did not seem to work, and then next to manually restore the section begin tags to what (to the best of my understanding) they should be - this second edit did not seem to "work right" either. So, I'm asking for help in undoing any damage I may have unintentionally done, and also help in understanding what was happening there. Thanks! Lini (talk) 11:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I can't be that helpful at the moment but I will look into things when I can. In the mean time:-
(1) I'm not sure what's going on here myself. It looks like an experimental interface created in February 2010. It might be transcluding from the DjVu file, just using the intermediary of javascript on a user page.
(2) The ## word ## format is shorthand for <section begin=word />. Something should convert it to the full "section" format instead of interpreting it as a bullet point. I've had that happen to me, depending on the computer I'm using. I suspect it is due to javascript being disabled but I can't confirm that right now. I can't seem to fix it from my current computer. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:48, 27 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for fixing up the section tags on the page. Lini (talk) 23:06, 27 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I found a preference setting that I could checkmark in order to "Use the old <section /> syntax in the Page namespace" Earlier, I had tried opening for edit the page that you had corrected, and once again saw the ## characters (but nothing that looks like ## word ## - just one set of ##) Cancelled the edit, of course, bc my only objective was to see how it appeared to me. After changing my preference setting as I described above, I can now open the page for editing and see the "section" format tags. As before, I cancelled out of the edit bc there was nothing I actually intended to change, at this point. Anyway, I think I am in better shape than this morning. Thanks for your comments which helped me figure out where to look for one possible solution. If there remains other relevant information that you were looking into being able to provide, I'm still interested in learning more, to understand better how additional things about Wikisource work and fit together. Thanks again, Lini (talk) 00:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would be more than grateful for help with the Dictionary. Unfortunately most of the info/history of the project is in my head and I've tended to proofread more pages rather than write down the methods and rationales. This weekend is looking like custard already, but I'll try to get something started over the next week.

With respect to the transclusions, there are so many small articles in this work, that it was decided (before I joined Wikisource) that an alternative solution was needed. ThomasV had successfully implemented on frWS the interface that is currently used. It needs a bot to go through the proofread pages and create the links for the transclusion. Adam is right in that it is currently transcluding from the DjVu file via the user page. This needs to change to a Project page, but the complicating factor is that it needs to transclude from two different Index files interweaving the alphabetic order and I don't think ThomasV sorted his bot to do this before he reduced his commitments. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:04, 28 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you, Beeswaxcandle. No hurry on my account, please. (And also, please don't stress yourself about it.) For my part, I'll be off the internet for most of the weekend; once I'm back my plan is to continue to proofread or validate some of the works, other than the Dictionary, that I've already helped with. My intention is to have a small "handful" that I return to on a rotating basis. (Apologies, I'm quirky that way, rather than working on the same thing straight through. But, in the long run, they all advance toward being completed, and presumably other editors besides myself are working on each as well.) Also, I learn best by example, so, if I have questions, my first resource is to look for how something is handled in adjacent pages or elsewhere in the same work. My overall concern with the info/history about the Dictionary project was that I wanted to make sure there wasn't an unwritten rule on the order of "Nobody touches that project any more because of _________ " However it does sound like it's ok to cautiously proceed, asking questions when needed, or asking you to look over things that I'm uncertain about. Thank you, again, for being welcoming. Lini (talk) 11:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bodinayakanur History

I want to know about any History or notes about bodinayakanur Zamindar under British rule in India. Any info or books or any notes during british rule pls inform me to

I doubt that anyone here has that expertise. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:26, 14 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Author header autofill & WP info linking

Whoever had the great idea to auto-fill Author page headers, thank you! Especially as it links with info from a WP page... One less step in the process for us! Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:03, 21 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Tragedy of Romeo and Juliet: duplicate text?

I'm not really familiar with this project, but it doesn't seem correct that The Tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is displayed on its main page as well as (partly) on its subpages. --Anypodetos (talk) 20:26, 22 December 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You're right, it doesn't make sense for the entire play to be present on the main page when there are also subpages. It also doesn't seem correct that The Tragedy of Romeo and Juliet/Act I. Scene I and The Tragedy of Romeo and Juliet/Act I. are identical. Angr 21:32, 22 December 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requests for assistance

Request move

The Annotated Strange Case Of Dr Jekyll And Mr Hyde should be with "Dr." & "Mr." , as shown on the cover. 09:46, 1 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Actually first printed without period; show that cover. 09:58, 1 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Are you aware that version is a Wikisource Project? The original version, as published, is found under a different mainspace title, Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. -- George Orwell III (talk) 11:15, 1 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How can we create texts with brackets like this?


As shown in the picture, how can we create/arrange texts in such order/manner, I mean, with short and long brackets like that? Is there any template that may help us to arrange texts like that? Thank you so much.

P.S. The texts in the picture are ancient law (of Thailand).

--Aristitleism (talk) 09:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

File:GullBrace.svg as per this 20px call  . I would typeset it within a table, and give the gull brace a column of its own and use rowspan. I will find an example of some that I have done elsewhere. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rename Request

Requesting rename from current username (Tomayres) to target username (Mato). Target username is not already registered. This change has already taken place on my home wiki (enwiki) and I'm seeking renames across projects. [6]. Thanks. Tomayres (talk) 00:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rename has been processed double-check your local user page.--BirgitteSB 02:42, 8 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Since page 10 and 11 were missing, I uploaded a new djvu after receiving instructions here . Now I need help moving the pages to align with the new djvu. Index:More Tales from Tolstoi.djvu. Thanks in advance. —P. S. Burton (talk) 22:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Done Please double-check the moves for me — billinghurst sDrewth 23:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looks great. Thanks. —P. S. Burton (talk) 15:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Flagging Pages

I'm new to wikisource and just proofread my first page here. There was an accented letter I was unable to identify (specifically the 'o' a the end of HOKKEKYO). How do I flag the error for further review? --Banana04131 (talk) 05:48, 19 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

One can use {{illegible}} otherwise, you can just add an html comment <!-- please double check this word-->. Also if you think that there is a chance that you are in error, then we would say makr it Problematic (purple). — billinghurst sDrewth 06:08, 19 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the quick response. I had already put in a comment, but I'm not sure how to mark a page as Problematic or purple. Does that refer to the page status or something else?--Banana04131 (talk) 06:59, 19 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, the page status. See Help:Page Status unfortunately through a quirk, we cannot successively wikilink the text. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  Done and lodged a bugzilla request to get the appropriate wikilink from the Page namespace. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:45, 5 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comments or annotations in margins of page (Sidenotes)

Is there a text or formatting template that can handle comments or annotations placed in the margins of text? This example shows such comments written on the right hand margin of the page. I have not been able to find a template that can be used to represent these type of comments/annotations, and I would be grateful for some guidance. ----Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 10:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page:Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire vol 1 (1897).djvu/248 has great examples of how to do sidenotes and the like. - Tannertsf (talk) 11:18, 28 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Many thanks. Now I know what I am looking for: Template:Sidenote. I will experiment with it to get the best effect. ----Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 12:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What next?

I've been working on a source in my userspace at User:Mu301/Astronomicall coniectur. It is complete, with some proofreading remaining. I'm a bit new to ws and would like some advice and/or help on how to proceed. The first is moving the page to mainspace. What are the conventions for pagenames? The full title of the work is Learned: Tico Brahæ his Astronomicall Coniectur of the new and much Admired * Which Appered in the year 1572which is not only a bit long but contains an ae ligature and a "*" in the place of a rebus. Second, should I break the work up into subpages? It seems a bit much to place each original book page in a subpage for such a short work. For the main part of the text the section headers are the page numbers, but many of the pages do not have page numbers. There are also a couple of notes at User talk:Mu301/Astronomicall coniectur. --mikeu talk 23:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Seems managed. We also encourage redirects, so feel free to create with / without and shortened titles. If there ends up being a work of a similar name, then we will disambiguate the page. Billinghurst (talk) 11:20, 3 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

License free?

this is the license of this copy of phisophiae naturalis principia mathematica. Can I just copy-paste it to wikisource (english or latin)? --Περίεργος (talk) 16:58, 2 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Asked at my talk page. Directed to laWS. Resolved. Billinghurst (talk) 11:17, 3 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Could someone help me by uploading a djvu and corresponding index page for A Short History of England by Gilbert Keith Chesterton?( - short but good book, 142 pages i think. - Tannertsf (talk) 19:03, 2 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Believe that this was dealt with elsewhere. Billinghurst (talk) 11:16, 3 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

need help with to edit pages

I don't know what happen but I don't see scans on my editing pages. Perhaps I need to do something on my preferences? Things were fine a few days ago and I am able to see scans and edit if I do not log in.Daytrivia (talk) 11:35, 8 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I restored default settings and everthing is good. Thanks anyway. Daytrivia (talk) 15:30, 8 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How do I magnify the scan using the enhanced toolbar? How do I get it horizontal for editing?Daytrivia (talk) 23:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Turn off the enhanced toolbar, it simply doesn't have all the buttons. As nobody who is programming competent has yet done the required work, it will fall to us who are less competent in that space to work it out. I haven't got there yet. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay. Thanks so much Billinghurst.Daytrivia (talk) 23:46, 8 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When I turn off the enhanced toolbar and check the regular toolbar features in gadgets I do not get a toolbar at all.Daytrivia 12:55, 9 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Seeking further help on this. My attempts to create a button were unsuccessful. I have checked and we are unable to globally put in place old toolbar for all, so I have sought further help in getting new buttons into place. Someone is looking to make it easier for the hacker-crippled to buttons for the purpose. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:16, 5 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

request for an Image move to commons

I would like to have Mountain Parkway - Hacker Valley Kiosk.JPG moved to commons. SchoolcraftT (talk) 10:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Done , please now categorise the image at Commons. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 13:29, 15 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

request for immediate restoration of abusively deleted images

I would like the following restored then transfred to commons:

(due to abusive mass deletion) Thanks a head of time SchoolcraftT (talk) 08:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Not done Request declined as these images have no purpose on English Wikisource. i.e they do not illustrate any of the works we hold. See the discussion on your talk page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I'm having trouble creating the table on this page. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 10:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikify it if you really think that it is necessary. Personally, as it is end matter, I think that we can just poke in the image of the table as minimum fuss, and move on. If you prefer to have a wikitable, then can I ask that you to the text for the first two or three rows (cell per line) and I will wikify it from there. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Permission to move images is requested

I uploaded five images for instructional purposes and the name of one I misspelled. I don’t know if the ’Move’ action is available on Wikisource, but if it is, I am applying for this permission. I have ’Move’ permission on on the Commons. Thanks. — Ineuw talk 23:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why are you uploading these at Wikisource if they are {{PD-self}}? Wikisource normally only hosts files that are ineligible for hosting at Commons, even if they are WS-specific. If you transfer to Commons, I can delete images here for you. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 00:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think that we have a move permission per se anyway for WS. Moving files was problematic and they pulled some magic within the mediawiki software and applied that Commons, I don't think that it was ever considered to be turned on at WS, and probably due to that images should be at Commons. Either way, as per Inductiveload, moving them to Commons is the answer.

When the images are of temporary nature, it’s much easier to have them deleted on Wikisource. I haven’t fully developed the idea and the look of a satisfactory visual demo. For example, I already found the idea of a full page image is unnecessary and cumbersome, but it will take time until I remake these images and their sequence. When the idea is fully developed, I will crate a permanent home on the Commons.— Ineuw talk 02:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In that case, give me about 24 hours to upload better versions to the commons, and will request deletions.— Ineuw talk 02:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Done See my talk page. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 01:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]


How would I get all these PDFs, here, into a single DJVU file? And how would I get the OCR text to show up once the index is made? Thanks! Digipoke (talk) 00:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you are looking to upload to Commons, then we are limited to a 100MB file, and I would think that such a compilation would exceed that limit. Is there any special reason that you were wanting them compiled into the one file? If you did want to look to a lesser number of files, it would be best to merge the PDF files, and then we could upload the file to and get derivative files generated, and that would normally include a DjVu. Alternatively there are a few people who build their own DjVus from PDF files. For more info on the processes have a peek at Help:DjVu files and Help:Proofread. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can convert PDFs to DJVUs if needed. I will see what I can do to merge into files by year, but I can't make any promises yet about quality or file size, though a cursory glance indicates that it should fit under 100MB at a decent quality. I will keep you updated, feel free to poke me about if I don't get back in a few days. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 23:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the advice, I think I've managed to do it properly. On a related note can someone help me with this table please, it's a little too complicated for me. Also should I transclude each day separately? E.g. The 1st page starts the day of the 21st and the 2nd and 3rd continue the same day. Should the first part, before the times (the headings), be in the header so it doesn't show up when transcluded and the day looks like one long table? I'm not sure if I've explained this properly so I'll try to find an example. Thanks. Digipoke (talk) 17:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have started the page, and just treat as a 5 column table from there. With regard to continuing pages, I would think that if you copy the header component to subsequent pages to the header that would be fine. Start each central component with
<!--placeholder text-->
| …

and that should prevent space gobbling. Also to end each page with the table close in the footer. Your challenge will be to determine how it is going to be transcluded whether it is a day at a time, or a week or a month, and that may depend on what and how it is linked to externally, or other pages within the work. I would suggest to do some pages of transcription get a few together and run some trials either in Wikisource:Sandbox or in one in your user pages. This is the sort of work that is the first in the space, so it is going to be some trial and error, and probably working through a variety of opinions. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:30, 23 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! Once I've finised some tables, I will try out some transclution options and see what works best. Digipoke (talk) 18:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Problem with djvu upload

I am getting a strange result regarding two djvu files I uploaded to Commons. I asked there a week ago and haven't gotten any response, and I'm hoping someone on this project is familiar with this problem. I uploaded a number of djvu files from and most of them went well (a multi-volume work), but File:Federal Cases, Volume 28.djvu and File:Federal Cases, Volume 19.djvu did not. I cannot navigate to particular pages in them and the thumbnail is just an icon. There is also some text contained (some) file information following the icon which doesn't appear on other djvu pages. Index:Federal Cases, Volume 28.djvu and Index:Federal Cases, Volume 19.djvu do not even detect the files on Commons at all, although they are there. I downloaded the files from Commons and was able to open them on my computer, so they do not appear to be corrupted. I re-uploaded one of them to see if there was a problem with the initial attempt, but that did not solve the problem, either. I'm new to wikisource and the whole djvu thing, so I don't know if this is a common or easily fixable problem. RJC (talk) 14:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is something wrong with the file that Commons isn't liking., it isn't detecting components, see [ × pixels, file size: 79.16 MB, MIME type: image/vnd.djvu] O am unable to tell you more than that. I will see if we can delete it and try again. — billinghurst sDrewth 17:00, 20 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This sometimes happens when the first internal indirect djvu file is named "0000.djvu" or something just as similar where "page 1" doesn't translate properly as "djvu page 1" but as a null or shared library/dictionary file normally does instead. I had this problem where the GoogleBooks disclaimer page had to be deleted in order for the rest of the djvu to process and render properly in the Index: namespace for this reason awhile back (though I don't see anything like that in this case from the directory of files currently on Re-checking the existing djvu on Any2Djvu might be enough to "break it free" but the resulting text layer most likely won't be as good as the one imported by the folks. You can always try re-djvu-ing the pdf from over on if all else fails. -- George Orwell III (talk) 19:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help with Template

Is there any way I can get this template to display at its proper width, when put on this or any other Condor index page? Digipoke (talk) 19:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hmm, it seems to be gobbling the table opening for some reason, and I cannot give more time now. As a general comment, we wouldn't be putting an INDEX directed contents table into the main ns. I would only see this table applicable for use in Index namespace or a project related space. With regard to width, what do you define as "proper", you don't say what is happening. You can always try a min-width if it is gobbling space, or you can give it a fix width. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The problem was the table was really thin, but I've used the min-width and it seems to be working, although the table does look slighty different on some pages (Issue numbers taking up 2 lines), but I think it's fine. Yes, only for the index pages to navigate to another volume (index) more easily. Thanks. Digipoke (talk) 17:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Changing username

Please rename my account to "Vanished User 5693". Reason is w:WP:RTV. And delete my current username from actual page version. unsigned comment by His Shadow (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2011.

Please make these type of requests on the Admin's Noticeboard at the end of the Bureaucrat section. Remember to sign your request next time as well. -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:24, 12 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Request cross-posted to WS:AN. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 19:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Swap page in djvu file

Hi. I came across this page, with an unreadable left part Page:History of Hudson County and of the Old Village of Bergen.djvu/57. I found [scan] where the page is readable. It is a scan of the same original and here the page is readable. Is there anyone who can swap the page in the djvu file? Thanks --Mpaa (talk) 20:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Done Cheers, Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 19:25, 28 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. If I go to the page above to proofread and remove 'Problematic', I still see the old page. But if I click on the Image link on top of the page, the new image is there! Do you see the new one? Is it only me? --Mpaa (talk) 22:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see a readable scan. I have marked it as Proofread. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:12, 2 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unable to add new text

While trying to add a new page through the search function, there is no way to add a new page. The Help contents say that there should be an edit button at the top of the page. I don't see it. Joe Chill (talk) 01:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You need to go to the desired page, such as New Page, and then you should see the edit button. It won't appear in the search screen. By the way, it is preferred that texts should be backed up by a scanned copy. If you need help locating an online copy or uploading one, please ask. There's a guideline at Help:Beginner's guide to Index: files, but it is easier to see how this works in practice a few times before one feels confident enough to do it himself (based on my own experience). --Eliyak T·C 07:01, 28 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Would this be wrong to do?

I added A Bit Of Sunshine and I saw that words have a slash after each syllable in the scanned book so I added them. In the case of the Wikisource page, should I edit it to remove all of the slashes? Joe Chill (talk) 00:23, 29 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, that is correct. The primary aim is to replicate the text. The best thing to do in this situation is to upload that Internet Archive book to Commons as a DjVu and then proofread it using side-by-side page scans. That we we have an easily verified source of the transcribed work. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 07:30, 29 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As a start, if you are interested, I have set up Index:A Bit of Sunshine.djvu for you to play with. Don't worry about breaking anything, experiment freely and leave a message here or at my talk page if you need anything. :-) Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 07:45, 29 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Continuing tables

What have I done wrong here? Trying to get the table from 102 & 103 to carry on by using the headers and footers, but it keeps misplacing the 1st row of the 2nd page. Thanks in advance. Misarxist (talk) 12:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It needed a either a leading {{nop}} or <!-- comment first line--> which stops the first bit of the line being treated as characters rather than wiki table formatting. I have also had a little play through the table. You may also wish to consider adding a table width as the full width on a wide screen does tend to make the table lose form. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:22, 12 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/Masonry (Freemasonry) only half there

Hello. I was looking at the article on Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/Masonry (Freemasonry) from the 1913 CE, and, the last half of it appears to be missing. Can someone load the last half of that article? Thanks! --Kenatipo2 (talk) 21:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There isn't much activity happening in that project at this time, and most of the work has been more about getting the text aligned with the images. More detail at Wikisource:WikiProject Catholic Encyclopedia Upgrade. If you are looking for the text, and know the page, you should be able to look at the original scan via that link. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:49, 19 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, Billinghurst. --Kenatipo2 (talk) 05:07, 22 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've now completed the article by pasting in the rest. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Restoring a Page to Validated Status?

Hi! I am wondering if it would be possible to remove my edits to Page:Wood Beyond the World.djvu/129 following my validation edit at 09:28, 19 October 2011. The later edits were unsuccessful attempts, (including adjusting the page status back to earlier statuses) to manually fix the "trailing lf" issue (see User:SDrewthbot/trim trailing LF ) I think the trailing LF issue, for now, can only be fixed by bot, and does not impact the validation of the page. But I am no longer eligible to validate it, bc I have a later edit at Proofreading status. So, I'm requesting either my later edits to be removed, or someone else to validate that one page (if that would be simpler.) Thanks! Lini (talk) 01:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Done I just validated it, that seems easier. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 01:40, 20 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! Lini (talk) 11:28, 20 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

general public documents and...

  1. I cant seem to figure out how to upload a scan of a document and have it side-by-side the wikified version.
  2. I also want to know if its appropriate to upload scans of open documents like state board of health meeting minutes, and things like that?

thanks Pulmonological (talk) 21:09, 29 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For the first point, you upload the file to Wikimedia Commons if it is public domain in the US and in the originating country (which is the US as well?). Say you upload the file File:Sandbox.djvu, you then go to Index:Sandbox.djvu and fill in the form there. You can then go the pages by Page:Sandbox.djvu/1, where the "1" is the page number of the page you wish to edit. After you save the index page, you will get a list of pages if the file is a DjVu or a PDF.
As for the appropriateness, I can't say for sure, but if it is a document by the US federal government (but not by contractors to the federal government), then it is should be Public Domain and suitable for inclusion here. State government works may be copyrighted and vary by state, you can read Copyright status of work by U.S. state governments at Wikipedia for more info. That's really all I can say without knowing the full details of the work in question. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 21:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The documents are in the public domain, copyright isnt an issue; the issue is the appropriateness of inclusion of every document in public domain even if its a memo about lunch - made public by way of requirement of law. I guess if its public domain, its public domain. Nothing wrong with being a source for as much information as possible right? Pulmonological (talk) 21:35, 29 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Further, here is exactly a thing I am super confused about Hawaii Revised Statutes Chapter 466D - Respiratory_Therapists.djvu and Hawaii_Revised_Statutes_Chapter_466D_-_Respiratory_Therapists
We don't have a "notability" criterion like Wikipedia, so technically every PD text is hostable. However if it is a mess or lacks source data or clear copyright-free status it could be deleted (but only after a discussion at WS:PD or WS:CV). "Drive-by" copy-paste jobs which often result in orphaned works with no incoming links and low text quality are discouraged, even if the document is public domain. We'd rather have a well-formatted text that is well integrated into the Wikisource collection.
Exactly what are you confused about? The first link is not a file link, as it does not begin with "File:". If you want it to exist, you need to upload a PDF or DjVu to Wikimedia Commons at commons:Special:Upload. The second is a valid mainspace page that you have just created. If you wish to have a scan-backed work, you need to upload the original file to Commons, create the index and then add the text from the mainspace to the Page: pages. H:SIDE and H:INDEX can help you navigate this system. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 22:43, 29 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rendering a page in pdf

I came Wikisource in response to a request at w:Wikipedia:Help desk#The Statement of Randolph Carter. The user there wanted to render “The Statement of Randolph Carter” in pdf. I thought I could render The Statement of Randolph Carter, but the pdf showed only <pages index="Avon Fantasy Reader 10.djvu" from=55 to=60 /> instead of the text of the story. I found I could create a semi-usable pdf from Index:Avon Fantasy Reader 10.djvu pp 53-58, rendered as a book, but that maintained the page divisions of the original. Is there a way to create a pdf that looks like The Statement of Randolph Carter? —teb728 t c 22:23, 3 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is a know bug of the PediaPress-maintained "Collection" extension with respect to the "pages" tag, which is heavily used at Wikisource. A bug has was filed here in November 2009, and the PediaPress team has recently been made aware of the importance of the problem, but we have seen little progress with it to date. This issue is somewhat related to the recentrequest for ePub support at the Scriptorium. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 23:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As a temporary solution, depending on whether you have MS Word or not, you can copy/paste the text from Wikisource into a Word document, then convert it to a PDF document via Save As/PDF. That should do the trick. If you can't, let me know. Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks to both of you. —teb728 t c 21:24, 5 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requesting page validation

Accidentally changed the status of this page Page:Popular Science Monthly Volume 48.djvu/606. Can someone please revalidate it? Thank you— Ineuw talk 08:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. ResScholar (talk) 09:59, 19 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This Proofread of the Month for April 2011 is nearing completion, and needs only five more of its pages validated. I can't do them myself because I happened to have proofread those pages. Your help would be greatly appreciated by myself, and I'm sure by my fellow contributors Inductiveload and George Orwell III who have worked hard on bringing this work to final completion. ResScholar (talk) 13:29, 20 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Donebillinghurst sDrewth 14:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]