User talk:John Vandenberg/Archive/2007

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Hi. I checked the Stanford copyright renewal database, and while they do have many of Sassoon's works listed, The Heart's Journey is not among them. Cheers :) Sherurcij (talk) (λεμα σαβαχθανει) 17:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


You're username has been changed, as per your request.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 15:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Regex menu framework updatedEdit

Hello Jayvdb. Thank you for beta testing the script yesterday. I've updated your copy of the regex menu framework from 1.0 to 1.2. The main changes between these versions:

  • a new default tool called "Custom regex" (see documentation), which lets you perform any number of arbitrary search & replace patterns;
  • automatic updates;
  • fixed bug with checkbox checking;
  • cleaned up CSS.

I also removed the very experimental "standardization and cleanup" tool per our discussion on IRC, since you won't be using it. If you prefer to keep it, just say so and I'll re-add it.

You'll probably need to refresh your browser cache before you see the changes (CTRL+R in Firefox). If you have any comments or suggestions, find glitchy or odd behaviour, or don't want to be told when the script is updated, please leave a message on my talk page. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:37:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I re-added the newer version of the "standardization and cleanup" tool; version 1.2 of the framework supports transcluding tools, so you're always using the latest version. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:11:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Unpublished works in AustraliaEdit

As far as I know, unpublished works are not public domain in Australia; i.e. they hold copyright indefinitely (see [1], and consider following up on Wikisource:Scriptorium#PD-US-unpublished where I have started a more general thread). John Vandenberg 12:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I had a look into it, and you are right: prior to 2005, copyright in Australian works not published in the author's lifetime extended until 50 years after the date of first publication. However, this work was indeed published, in The Sunday Times in 1928. It was me that wrote the provenance statement "Appears to be a final draft of Ferguson, C.W., "Moondyne Joe", in The Sunday Times, 27/5/1928" (under previous username Snottygobble). I have checked against The Sunday Times source, and as far as I can tell it is word-for-word identical. This establishes that this is indeed a published work, and {{PD-1996}} applies. As for the assertion of provenance, I'm not sure whether we are obliged to maintain a record of the fact that BadRoscoe transcribed it from what appears to be Ferguson's draft, or whether it is permissable to simplify matters by attributing it to the published version. Hesperian 14:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
As the final draft is hardly a piece of fine art, and we dont have an image of the foolscap pages, I think we should move the provenance of the final draft to the talk page, and update the page to accurately reflect the 1928 printed version. Do you have a digital image of the newspaper article you could upload? John Vandenberg 22:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I have no objection to that. No, I can't find my copy of the article, if I ever had one. I am happy to take responsibility for this, but it could take a month or two, as it would require a visit to the microfilm section of the w:J S Battye Library. Hesperian 04:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Your capitalization changes to Poems (Botta) and subsidiary pagesEdit

The titles in the original source are all capitals. Why would we change that? Per the MOS: "Sentence form (most words lowercase) is preferred, unless an original capitalization is consistently used." (emphasis added) "Dedication to my mother", the first page that you moved, should be "DEDICATION. TO MY MOTHER." (with two periods, one after dedication and one after mother) That is the way the original author wrote the title, (check the source if you like or if you disbelieve me) and all the titles in the work are consistently done that way. So... I wrote all the poem titles exactly the way the author specified them. Please change the titles back, and please move the page you moved back (I cannot, as I am not an admin). If this is incorrect, please let me know where the correct place to discuss this is. Note that I personally think the capitalization and punctuation looks archaic and I would not use it myself were it my choice but it is the author's choice, not mine. Thank you. - Epousesquecido 00:28, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the partial change in the title. It is now a little bit closer to what the author, Anne Cora Lynch Botta, originally choose as her title. I do not feel we have the right to change the title of her work. The title correctly done is "DEDICATION. TO MY MOTHER.". I have posted this to the Scriptorium. Let's discuss this there. Thank you - Epousesquecido 01:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Also why did you remove the subpages? The titles are not likely to be unique. Can you move all this to the Scriptorium so others can be involved in this discussion, please? - Epousesquecido 01:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

The Posthumous Works of Ann Eliza BleeckerEdit

I changed the author override back, as the work contained much writing by her daughter. The subpages contain everything the source attributed to her and the other material was not present in the source. So the incomplete is justified, as a work. But if the author is changed to her, it's complete, as all of her work published in the book is there. I appreciate your wikignoming but perhaps it would be best if you let me know about issues and explained how to correct them so I could do it myself when convenient, instead of changing my work while I am in the middle of working on it. - Epousesquecido 02:15, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I left a note on Talk:The Posthumous Works of Ann Eliza Bleecker. - Epousesquecido 14:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


Hi! Its part of a periodical is here: [2]

Its a very freelance attempt and since I don't have much time will be very slow going. Thanks for taking in interest--Wolf2191 01:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


James Cook is up, awaiting your improvements (see his talk page as well, btw) Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Captain Cook 06:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No ProblemEdit

No problem. Thanks for taking the time to tag all those pages. - Politicaljunkie 11:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

It's a little late, but I wanted to thank you for your guidance. It was very helpful to me and I need all the help I can get. You were more then patient with me when I was showing my frustrations. I am still not sure I have it right, so please feel free to correct me again. - Epousesquecido 20:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Chronographia (Theophanes)Edit

Yes, I just moved it there, and I was looking for the rigth place to as for its deletion.--Panairjdde 22:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


Bah, changing my beautiful userSkin to the boring white one, ew! Alright, but only because you guilted me on the admin nomination to do it :Þ I assume it's somewhat straight-forward how to do it? Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Ancient Egypt 23:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Nostalgia, typically. And yeah, I noticed outdated sig at the same time, and ran to change it. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Alfred Nobel 00:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for commentEdit

Hi, I was wondering if you'd like to comment at Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Days_of_War.2C_Nights_of_Love, as you had previously discussed the article in question at Scriptorium. -- LGagnon 19:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


Hi John, I saw you added this template to the Poems(Botta) talk page. Thank You! Should I use that on all works? - Epousesquecido 14:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I think so. I generally do it when it is completed, as that is when the link to the source is no longer desirable for general readers. {{textinfo}} also sets things up for proofreaders to join in the effort. John Vandenberg 14:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok, Thanks, I appreciate all the help. - Epousesquecido 16:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)



I'm letting you know that JVbot now has bot status.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 19:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Great; I'll start proposing some more tasks that would have been too annoying if they were hogging the recentchanges lists. John Vandenberg 22:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


I was just curious but how do you create a bot? Do you use a different program to have it do what it does? Or is is something you do on Wikisource itself?

(If you could reply on my talk page, that would help)


Skunkmaster IV 02:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! (And it looks like it takes a lot of work to make a bot!) :)--Skunkmaster IV 04:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


Is there a way to change the title of a page without having to create a new page and transferring all the data/book?

Thanks, Skunkmaster IV 23:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You can move pages. At the top of each page, beside the history button, is a "move" button. That will allow you to re-title a page. Definitely dont copy&paste content around unless you are splitting a page into multiple subpages. John Vandenberg 23:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --Skunkmaster IV 00:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: WelcomeEdit

Hello, just thought I would say thanks for the welcome

Regards. Pahari Sahib , 01:23, 20 September 2007 (GMT)

Thank youEdit

Thank you very much for doing that for me. I'm not really clear what is left to do, so if you could post a note about that on my talk page it would be appreciated. I'll start working on it again now :). Psychless 22:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for you observation. But it came too late. I had already been blocked. But I'm back (as Arnold would say). --Ludvikus 00:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Your asking The Terminator to slow down? I'm asking you how do the policies differ here from Wikipedia? I have my hands full with work on Wikipedia. I only came here because I was shocked by the sloppiness of the posting of "The Protocols on the relatively well-researched main article there. Quite frankly, what's at Wikisource concerning The Protocols is very nmuch like the "work" of "The Britons" or even the Nazis - namely, Antisemitic Propaganda. --Ludvikus 01:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Forgot to signEdit

Hi :) I found your secret vote... (Actually, you forgot to sign your vote on Lar's RFA. I added the unsigned template bu you ought to sign it yourself.) Take care, FloNight 00:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Good newsEdit

The "Source. Bodleian MS Rawl. Poet. 84, fol. 72r" at the end of the text indicates that it is copied from the Bodleian Library (Oxford University)'s Rawlinson collection] of manuscripts (MS), and is categorised under the 84th Poetry index, as folio (fol.) 72r. Hope to see those works on WS soon! :) It'd be great to include in the "notes" section of the header that "The original manuscript is held in the Rawlinson Collection of Oxford's Bodleian Library, under Index 84, Folio 72r" - so that it's easy for those with access to confirm (and possibly get scans!) one day. Great find! Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Thomas Wyatt 03:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


I just noticed your addition Collected Essays (Huxley), and got wondering about the treatment of such generic titles. I expect that we should also expect that some day we will also have such pages for his grandsons, Aldous and Julian, although for now most of their works are still protected by copyright. In anticipation one might adjust the title to also add the given name. The broader problem of generic titles will take longer to become apparent. In most of these cases we need to remember that the collective publication was not the original publication. If we look ahead to the future of the project we will need to determine a canonical version for works like this so that they can be more easily cross-referenced from other works that we have. Eclecticology 08:10, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Funny you should bring that up. I tried to find the original Proceedings where the obit was published, but fell back to the copy in this collection. I already over-disambiguated "Collected Essays" because its a very generic title, and would rather not put in peoples full names unless there is a need to. I dont mind if we plan ahead, but I already dont like the long page names, and typically being precise requires either being long winded or using identifiers. Either way, I think our salvation will come in the form of the {{DISPLAYTITLE|...}} keyword to avoid the first line of each page looking terrible. John Vandenberg 09:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Do we have documentation for DISPLAYTITLE?
Obviously it may be a long while before we have the Collected Essays of either Julian or Aldous, and I agree that over-disambiguation should be discouraged. One thing to be said in favour of collected editions is that they bring together a lot of material that may otherwise be completely unavailable. I also strongly believe that we should avoid long unwieldy titles. This is probably why I have concerns about this "Publication (Author)/Volume/Part/Chapter/Sub-chapter" style for the principal title of an article. This logical structure has its place, but I think that having it for main entry creates as many problems as it solves.
What I have found from working with Burton's The Book of the Thousand Nights and a Night is that cross-referencing to other books in Wikisource is no easy task. I have managed it there for the Bible and Qur'an and for Rabelais, but Burton's page references to his Pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina were next to impossible to reconcile with what we now have. Whether we can establish canonical, easy to reference versions of everything here with consistent titles that transcend the available source is not an easy question. Eclecticology 03:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


Not sure I understand Emerson being on The Priest? Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Stratemeyer Syndicate 00:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

See google books and here. John Vandenberg 00:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Afghan training camp form updated with new license. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Stratemeyer Syndicate 18:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

20th century ModelsEdit

The author of 20th century Models is Persis Meacham Pomeroy, from The Economist Press --20:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:Current US SenatorsEdit

The template was originally designed for placement on each current US Senator's page, but it's rather unwieldy and doesn't add much to the content. I went ahead and speedy deleted it, thanks for pointing it out. - Politicaljunkie 21:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Max HavelaarEdit

Hi John. Because you reacted so quickly to my uploads of Max Havelaar, I just want to ask a questions. Do you know the book? Did you read my translation and what do you think of it? Drystubble 15:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


thanks for the help.i was just wondering because i wanted to read the time machine but didn't have time to go to library and because i didn't want to go.just to read on internet.


I appreciate the kind words over at the admin page. Reading your comments makes me feel a bit like I made somebody else do my homework for me, which certainly wasn’t my intent. Tarmstro99 01:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

No problems. You only needed to put up your hand. Anything you could have said beyond that is merely dressing, as everyone who considers your nomination will be doing their own homework in order to be certain that they actually do trust the person with the tools. I've put my homework up there as I had already done it prior, and I was waiting for my administration discussion to be closed before I nominated you. John Vandenberg 01:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you for the welcome message. Could you help me to find a tag to put on the article that is currently being translated? Thank you in advance. Moldopodo 12:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)Moldopodo

Tales of a TravelerEdit

I have put in the source information, all rights to copy are granted by Project Gutenberg.

I'm not sure if the edition information is proper or not.

Thanks. CL8 00:20, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


My bad. Please delete. CL8 00:36, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


Thanks John, I do appreciate the links. I hate navigating the rules and guidelines, it took me a good 6 months to find them all on En:Wikipedia. This project is a great idea, I hope I will be able to contribute. On Wikipedia I have been doing a lot of work with the Black Hawk War, there are dozens of public domain books associated with that topic that I hope to eventually add here. Thanks again for the welcome and the links. --IvoShandor 14:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Also would you mind looking at my contribs to make sure I did everything up to snuff, please point out my errors if you can. I wasn't sure if a source needed to be provided, as I don't remember reading that anywhere, if needed I can provide it readily. Thanks again. --IvoShandor 14:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I will add those sources to the talk pages. That looks like an interesting project, perhaps if I have the time I will pitch in. Is there a good example page you could show me that has it all, page scans, perfect formatting etc? --IvoShandor 17:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Jack London PageEdit

Hey there, I'm the on that deleted a couple of entries on the Jack London page.

The reason for this is that they were NOT independently published works like the rest in the list, but rather single short stories that Jack published in larger books. As I put online these books which contain the short stories, I delete the dead links to the short stories in the list.

If we eventually make a "Short Stories" list like I've seen on the HP Lovecraft page, we can link every single short story to the correct page inside the proper book. But until then I didn't think that short stories should be listed in addition to the book they were actually published in.

CL8 17:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Early Settlers Along the MississippiEdit

This text also needs one more proofreader before it can be nominated for featured. </plug>--BirgitteSB 14:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: etextsEdit

My apologies. I'll work on that and it won't happen again. Doodledoo 22:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

User talk:

Hi, I ve just registered SRauz the same as in commons and en and es wikipedias. I know english, almost an FCE level and spanish is my mother tongue. Thanks for the appreciation and the kind welcome.

PS: Is this the right way to communicate?? Sorry if not

Rajiva WijesinhaEdit

Hi, Thank you for your messages. Everything listed under Author: Rajiva Wijesinha (images and text) comes from a website which has the following disclaimer


Information presented on this website is considered public information and may be distributed or copied. Use of appropriate byline/photo/image credit is requested. Some of the documents on this server may contain live references (or links) to information created and maintained by other organizations. Please note that the Secretariat for Co-ordinating the Peace Process (SCOPP) and the Government of Sri Lanka (GOSL) do not control and cannot guarantee the relevance, timeliness, or accuracy of these outside materials. Save and except the acknowledged official communiqués of SCOPP and GOSL, the views expressed in the material on this website are personal to the respective authors and do not necessarily reflect the official view of SCOPP and GOSL.

Hope it's okay? I will put the relevant copyright tags in - its a work in slow progress. Skylark1 14:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


Clicked the button on the camera which took it. Subject of the photo has the original - also used on the website which has the public use disclaimer. I'll tag it as public domain? Skylark1 14:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Translator templateEdit

Any chance you can make it like the "Author" entry, so it auto-wikilinks to the page, rather than requiring [[Author:Foo|Foo]] each time? Also, I'd suggest a line break between author and translator for aesthetic purposes, no? Looks good though, guess I'll go start updating the Tolstoys shortly Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Pulitzer-winning writings 21:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Sexy...I won't even bug you about COTW this week then ;) Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Pulitzer-winning writings 03:26, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
It's the only excerpt I could find from the KKK articles thusfar, keeping it there just to help me in my Google-fu in trying to find the rest of them. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Pulitzer-winning writings 07:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 | title    = [[../|A Course in Miracles: Text]]
 | author   = Helen Schucman
 | section  = Chapter 5:  Healing and Wholeness
 | previous = [[../Chapter 4|Chapter 4]]
 | next     = [[../Chapter 6|Chapter 6]] 
 | notes    =

^^It looks like that has been used pretty much so far. I think header2 will work pretty good. I don't suppose you know of a way to automate their creation? It takes a lot of copy+paste to format them all correctly. Either way, thank you for the heads up, and I hope no one is in too much of a rush to see the whole series up here. : ) --Remi 04:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Help pleaseEdit

Hi Jayvdb. I'm fairly new to Wikisource, but not Wikipedia; from checking logs (and your user page), I can see that you're an admin, so would you care to guide me a bit? An introduction to Wikisource, perhaps? Thank you very much!
Also, there's an article for deletion: Monkeys. Qwerty (talk) 14:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Rajiva WijesinhaEdit

Thank you for your message. Re: the following "In order to keep hosting these speeches and letters, we need each copyright holder (i.e. Rajiva Wijesinha) to license theses works under one of the licenses we accept ({{GFDL}}, {{CC-BY-SA-2.0}} or {{PD-release}}). If you need time to arrange this, that is fine! We can wait as we know there is intent to rectify the situation; nothing will be deleted irrationally." - how do I go about sorting that out? Would the wording need to be changed on the original website (I don't think that would be easily achieved but could give it a go) or does the author himself need to be in touch with you/someone or write to anyone about it? I know he won't have any objections to his material being freely used - please advice as to format and procedures. Skylark1 11:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. I'm on the case! Should I stop uploading pending the paperwork being sorted out or can I carry on? Skylark1 15:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


You got it! I like the links on the bottom too! CL8 15:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! :)Edit

Thanks for the welcome! SQLQuery me! 08:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Just an update, I got some of that bot task you mentioned done, and, requested permission to complete it. I'm gonna take a nap now :) SQLQuery me! 14:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


Sorry about that, for some reason I was thinking about my contributions on the spanish wikisource. To be honest, I just created this account in case I stumble upon a spelling error or something like that while reading. But thanks. --Hamsterlopithecus 00:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


For the greeting and the pointer to the community center. Cheers.

--Ioscius 06:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


My first language is italian, but I understand English and French. I am the registered Wikipedia User "Regainfo", both in en.wikipedia and it.wikipedia. Best. --Regainfo 14:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Sundry header and other issuesEdit

The EBD talk page has a progress report as of 18 Sept. 2006 which shows a total of 484 entries. What links here from your template revision shows fewer than 500 entries. If you have indeed applied the change to all the EBD articles this suggests that the content there hasn't progressed much in the past year. Is anyone taking interest in these articles. My inclination would be to merge some of these stubs.

I didn't actually see a footer on the articles that I randomly viewed (Is it skin dependent?), but it would be consistent with my more general views about templates that footers should not be a part of a header template. It's just another example of trying to make a template do too much. You have more experience with these templates than I do, so I'm prone to view your stated inability with some degree of concern.

The Catholic Encyclopedia articles (which appear to be complete except for the supplement) will likely all need to be fixed manually. The authors are all there at the end of each article in all capitals, and need to be migrated to the header. (I did run into one where several authors were mentioned, each at the end of separate subsection.) I didn't do a lot there; I just dealt with one relatively prolific author. One peculiar observation that I made while working on these is the Template:No translator info at the bottom of the edit pages. This is odd when the article was originally in English in the first place.

When I consider the possibility of cross-linking articles I am also wondering whether our naming convention for these encyclopedia type articles was a wise one. "Topic (EB 11)" and "Topic (CE)" seems more useful than "EB 11/Topic" and "CE/Topic" because of the better opportunity for readers to compare how a topic is treated in different sites. The other system would work better in a time when people actually read encyclopedias from cover to cover. This is a big subject with lots of implications, but it still merits looking at Eclecticology 21:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The footer doesn't appear at all in the Classic, Cologne Blue and Nostalgia skins. The Chick skin and MySkin add a strange "retrieved from" comment on top of the footer box. It only appears to add it correctly in the MonoBook and Simple skins. ... but then if you turned it off that doesn't help to have it appearing.
My inclination is to merge the EBD articles, perhaps with using some kind of anchor to link to them. With that project flatlined at 12% for a year, it doesn't inspire much enthusiasm.
So far the only article that I have found in the CE with multiple authors is Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/Rites. It has different sections signed by different authors. I have not yet found any with no author.
For the translator template, can a distinction be made between inapplicable translator and unknown translator?
The difficulty with the Evil berry solution is that it may be unmaintainable if that needs to be done manually. Considering just the pages that EB and CE have in common the number of affected pages would already be large. It would help if Wikimedia had a more sophisticated search engine, but we all know not to hold our breaths waiting for that one. The idea of using a browse function that lists some number of articles before and after the subject article could be interesting, but that doesn't help if the encyclopedia name is the primary element in the title. Topics are akin to categories, and the latter have not been used to best advantage. Could we use redirects to better effect? Where two encyclopedias use different titles for the same thing we also need to consider having a canonical form for the article titles. There are a lot of challenges in this, but it touches upon the idea of adding value. We can't keep up with the large databases like Google Books or even Project Guttenberg; we just have to do it better. Eclecticology 02:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

For merging the EBD pages, I would suggest a basic alphabetical grouping

The category system is a bit of a black hole, and I see where people have set up categories that are utterly useless like "Early modern authors" or "Authors born in 1823", or authors' religions. The author's religion may be useful in Wikipedia, but it has nothing to do with the purposes of this project. I don't object to adapting a standard book classification system; in fact I did a lot of work on adapting the Library of Congress system in the old Wikisource, but that seems to have since been dumped. For any category system to work, I think you need to know what that classification is trying to establish, and how it will be useful to the person seeking information. It sometimes seems as though it's nothing more than the fulfillment of an obsessive-compulsive disorder. Wikipedia has more than a few such individuals.

Your cross-check list is interesting, and for me it seems to reflect the size of the task more than anything else. I can't complain about trying to co-ordinate information on Wikipedia and Wikisource. The other thing that we need to be able to do is to create links from the text of another article. This is most clearcut in historical material where you want to know about the people who are mentioned there, a link in an EB11 article should give us a choice from all the other books that have an article about that person, not just the EB article. If we consider the works of Jonathan Swift, we also want to be able to decipher his allusions. Eclecticology 09:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Div tagsEdit

Any chance you could align the "Book 1 contents" and "Book 2 contents side-by-side on The House of Mirth? It would be much more attractive when we have two "volumes" of a work :) Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Pulitzer-winning writings 21:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

translator param sounds good to me Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Pulitzer-winning writings 03:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
We should try to go back, and add the Wikiusers who contributed to the discussion, to the ((Info)) box on the talk page in these cases - practically "because people like getting credit", and officially "so that we know who to speak to, if we have questions or criticisms of a specific translation". Other than that, looks great. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Pulitzer-winning writings 04:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Peter Pan and WendyEdit

Thank you for e-mailing me about the text Peter Pan and Wendy. I've commented on the discussion. —Remember the dot (talk) 05:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Giuseppe Maria TomasiEdit

I don't (yet) have a copy of the Catholic Encyclopedia, but I checked w:List of canonizations which shows that this individual was canonized by John-Paul II - long after the CE was published. Eclecticology 01:57, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


  • Thanks for dealing with the disruption from AndreDarlingNYC (talkcontribs). Dark journey 13:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC).
    • I am only familiar with the court records that are currently on WikiSource. As to the other court records and press statements from the private company about the case - I am not familiar with those, cannot vouch for their authenticity or if this is some sort of public relations thing related to the company itself and its orchestration. Therefore, I am not the one to be putting those documents on WikiSource. If you can confirm with the court itself, or one of the clerks of the court or an attorney that those are the actual documents, feel free to let me know. Dark journey 05:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC).

Check my stepsEdit

Dear Jayvdb,

I'm OrbiliusMagister from it.source, I don't work here on a regular basis so it'll be difficult for me to get a grasp at the local conventions (I took a featured poem and I studied its wikitext, but nothing more). I'd like to cast a bridge between Italian and the English wikisources, by looking for special authors. John Milton was onew of them, since he wrote some Italian sonnets, so i'm going to publish them on it.source, and the English ones here. If you can please check my uploads, since I could mistake some formatting policies. Thank you. - 12:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC) (OrbiliusMagister)

Advice please!Edit

Re: continuing sage of RW and copyright. It's been left to me to decide which copyright tag to use. I'm undecided between ({{GFDL}} and {{CC-BY-SA-2.0}}. Having read through it all it seems pretty similar, but I was wondering if you knew of the pro's and con's of each. Fundamentally he is happy to make it copyright free as long as his authorship is acknowledged and that any changes are along the lines of the original ideas and not altered to represent the complete opposite of the original or distortion of facts. Also could you confirm that which ever license is selected, it will only apply to work which originally appeared on wikisource (i.e it shouldn't apply to his fictional work which is handled by his publisher under usual copyright rules - not free to distribute - which I won't be putting on wikisource anyway). Your advice would be appreciated as I don't want to get it wrong. Skylark1 10:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. Permission issues sorted! Skylark1 09:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


Just wanted to thank you for the vandalism reverts on Complete works of swami Vivekananda. Thanks a lot! --Nvineeth 12:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/CharlemagneEdit

How are you coming along with getting the author parameter to recognize the beginning square brackets in you Header2 template? This is an article with two authors where it would be nice to have. Eclecticology 07:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll work on it shortly. John Vandenberg 07:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Eclecticology 08:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcomeEdit

Jay, thanks for welcoming me to the project after my edit on the Cooper's Union Speech article. What is the best way for me to do quality work for this project? Scoutersig 04:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I was clicking around randomly (I think I found a link to 'pages needing proofreading' and I encountered this article: Summary of Space Exploration Initiative. Nothing links to it, and it even seems rather trivial to include. What should I make of something like this? I'm afraid most of my Wikipedia experience doesn't transfer well. —ScouterSig 17:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Note the signatureEdit

Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Winston Churchill 15:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC) not allowed to nominate an author and then not work on him , you have a day left :P Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Winston Churchill 02:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


At 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Mushroom I tried Wikispecies:Agaricus in the heading to create a link to Wikispecies but that doesn't work. Are second project links allowed in the header? Eclecticology 10:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

See the documentation on Template:EB1911; it supports "other_projects". John Vandenberg 11:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I got it to work in my derived template too, where I hadn't changed that part. One peculiar but minor effect, for which see 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Abalone, is that it now uses the preposition "on" for Wikipedia, but "at" for Wikispecies.
Another thing that I noticed there is that adding the wikispecies link kills the wiktionary link. Eclecticology 18:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


My IP using many others.-- 14:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC) When I use this for anonym edits, the I'm a sockpuppet?!

No. Unless you are behaving like a puppet of somebody else, you are not a sockpuppet. John Vandenberg 20:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


Hello, thank you for fixing the table of contents in Middlemarch, to put it above the Prelude; it was annoying me! When I saved the page after you (I didn't know you had been there in the meantime), it wiped out a lot of the work I had done, and I had to go back to an earlier version. I think it's okay now. Would you mind taking a look? I'd rather get it right at this stage, rather than having to fix it later. Also, I was copying (and adapting) the format and categories from Silas Marner, which I had open in another window in my browser at the same time. In Silas Marner, the categories were at the bottom; when you added one, it was at the top. Does it make any difference? Thanks, and sorry for the bother. Cowardly Lion 01:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

strange diffEdit

Yes, it was intended. I thought that other users might have a difficult time distinguishing the clean up section from other deletion proposals, and thought it might help if it was moved to its own second level heading. Sorry if this caused any problems. Should this have been left were it was originally? Wild Wolf 01:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

FWIW, I like it the way Wild Wolf edited it. Tarmstro99 02:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
No worries. It just looked strange having the rearrangement and the new section in the same edit. I thought something might have gone wrong. John Vandenberg 02:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


User:Physchim62/Copyright in speeches misses the fundamental point that speech isn't copyrightable and is freely recordable; this is fundamental to the workings of the First Amendment. Hence, when you talk to a reporter, you say "this is off the record" you don't say "the following remarks are copyrighted by me to you can't publish them." Sure, a speech might be written down before hand, but when that is for the express purpose of creating a public speech I sincerely doubt that act in itself creates an a priori copyright. The whole point giving a public speech is that you want what you are saying to be a matter of public record. -- Kendrick7 19:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

BTW, w:Estate of Martin Luther King, Jr., Inc. v. CBS, Inc. is lousy case law to base our decisions on. The court essential ruled that "I Have a Dream" was a performance and not a speech, and there's an express subtext to the ruling implying that the plaintiff, CBS, could somehow loose all copyright protection over any performances to which they held the copyright, which is their bread and butter, which perhaps gave them reason enough to drop the matter. Any other plaintiff would have appealed this case and won. -- Kendrick7 20:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it's not even case law as the matter was settled out of court. I've gone ahead and clarified that article's lead as to this and other aspects. I don't trust CBS to settle my rights out of court on my behalf. -- Kendrick7 21:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Maestro was in regards to a reproduction of an exact audio recording of the speech. Maestro isn't about plain text. I'll study the paper you link to, but from the abstract the suggestion is it involves film, where again, people have the right to their own image, etc. With all due respect to the Reverend King and his heirs, my Australian friend, cases which involve an African-American widow whose husband was shot in the head and martyred for the cause of civil rights "in the last few decades" in the U.S. quite understandably have a thumb upon the scales of justice in such a person's favor; I think that's all fair and good. But it's folly for us to base any general policy upon such rulings. -- Kendrick7 08:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome :)Edit

I mean this in all seriousness, I'm glad the first new message I got gave me a laugh.

The welcome template says:

"Please consider putting a brief description of yourself on your user page. If you are already a contributor to another Wikimedia project, such as Wikipedia, please mention this on your user page so we know how to contact you. Also, mention which languages you understand if English is not your first language." Timestamp:07:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Glad I already covered those bases!

Like I said, that really did put a smile on my face. Glad to be here, I posted at the Scriptorium if you'd like to leave some pointers there.

Happy editing! Keegantalk 07:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Cat:No headerEdit

Like so? Thanks for the pointer, John. I'll help out as I come and go. Keegantalk 08:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


Does your bot add headers to works with a /1 /2 naming structure? If so, I may have a few tasks...but if you have to do it manually, ugh. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Winston Churchill 05:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Nope. :-) It's possible, probably useful, but not likely to happen any time soon. John Vandenberg 05:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

State constitutionsEdit

OK, I'll modify the pages as you advise. I first tried to put some order in the categories, as there was even a Category:Oklahoma Constitution, and there was only one constitution in Oklahoma, in 1902 ! Now it will be easier to find these state constitutions, I didn't even know some of them were available at wikisource, I always quoted the Avalon Project at Yale Law School in the wikipedia articles. --Pylambert 21:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Rusk documentsEdit

Hello, John Vandenberg. First of all, I appreciate your kindly advice.

  1. Split Rusk documents -> Fine, thank you. Also, I will try to separate pages the other documents posted by me..
  2. Move article -> Please wait for a couple of days. I'm going to talk with other people. (I'm thinking that "Rusk note" or "Rusk memorandum".)

Thank you,--Redpepper 02:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, John Vandenberg. All of documents are posted by me have a picture for each other. However, I don't know how to create the index page well. Could you advice me which Help I should read?--Redpepper 13:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I had tried to create two index:pages as the Index:Confidential Security Information about Liancourt Rocks and Index:Memorandum in regard to the Liancourt Rocks (Takeshima Island) controversy. If you will find to any mistake, please let me know. Best Regards,--Redpepper 16:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello John. regarding renaming of the article, due to discussion with my people, I'd like to move "Rusk documents" to "Rusk note of 1951". Could you advise me about this decision? Thank you,--Redpepper 11:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for having you teach always kindly. I have seen and learned to correct page:WTTurner.jpg by you. --Redpepper 13:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing my formatting. I shall use the poem tags in future.--Poetlister 16:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

On the Kipling poem, the title is given in quotes in "Rudyard Kipling: The Complete Verse" ISBN 1 85626 009 7 so I suppose it's right.-Poetlister 22:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Great, thanks.-Poetlister 22:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia sister links templateEdit

Any bright ideas about how to fix w:Template:sisterlinks for this project? The template at w:Al Gore, for example, dumps reader out here. Seems to have been some discussion in May on the template talk page due to a similar complaint on w:Mohandas K. Gandhi, but nothing was done. -- Kendrick7 23:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I think maybe I will just create a w:Template:sisterlinks-bio template that handles this. So, answered my own question. -- Kendrick7 23:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I've created w:Template:sisterlinks-author. Seems to do the trick. -- Kendrick7 18:45, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:The stormEdit

Hi John, thanks for the heads up and keeping me in the loop. I have been very busy with real life and haven't had time for editing here. I have so much literature I would like put here, just have to find the time. (I saw you supported Giano, so did I. Oh the drama of Wikipedia!:) - Epousesquecido 21:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, John! Thanks for your help there - it's much appreciated! Thanks for the welcome, too - it's really cool of you to do that. (I feel welcome... yay!) I have one last question - now that Bleecker's poem has been moved, should The storm redirect to The Storm instead? Thanks a lot for the help and the welcome, and see you around Wikisource! (As I fix minute little things and stand in awe at how much you do here - keep it up!) Take care. --Sboots 03:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

re: LSTEdit

Thanks. I haven't had time to work on the bible comparisons as much as I'd like, but it's nice to to see that the extension is also finding other uses. -Steve Sanbeg 21:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Wiksource translationsEdit

Thanks. I'll add the GFDL tag to all my Wikisource translations. Is there a place in Wikisource where I could post to ask native English speakers (ideally with French-to-English translation skills and experience) to review my translations and report any possible typo, syntax or grammatical error, Gallicism etc? I am pretty confident my translations are adequate, but I am also sure they could be improved/perfected through collaboration. --Mathieugp 02:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


thanks for Welcome note--Rajeevmass 09:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

"Banquet Night"Edit

This was published in "Debits and Credits" in 1926. As Kipling died in 1936, the poem is PD in the United Kingdom. If there is a problem with US copyright, please delete it. Thanks for the warning. Poetlister 23:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I actually came to the talk page to make the same point. The poem is PD in its country of origin, which is (debateably) traditionally enough to merit inclusion on WS, PD in either the US or its country of origin, as I understand things. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Abu Hamid al-Ghazālī 00:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
This has already been discussed this year: Wikisource:Possible copyright violations/Archives/2007-08#"Banquet Night" - the outcome was delete. John Vandenberg 01:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
The poem was printed after the story "In the Interests of the Brethren" in "Debits and Credits" (he usually had a poem after each story in his short story collections). Now the story was first published in the 1918 Christmas issue of the "Storyteller", but I don't know if the poem was published then. Indeed, this reference says definitely that "This poem was first published in Debits and Credits (1926)" and this reference says "All except the stories “Sea Constables” and “In the Interests of the Brethren,” and the poem “The Supports,” were written or revised between October 1923 and August 1925." so presumably the poem didn't exist in 1918. Poetlister 22:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Author:Cardinal RamponiEdit

After looking through I can find no record of a Cardinal Ramponi. The closest thing that I can find for the time period is Mariano Rampolla del Tindaro. He was Secretary of State at the time, so there is good reason to believe that he is the intended person. Still, I can't say for sure. The problem may be one of transliteration. When we have our own translations we should at least have a link to the original language version so that these things could be checked out when they occur. Eclecticology 08:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Query about transcription and translationEdit

Thanks for notifying me via email that an anon had entered a query on the Einstein 'Dialog' talk page. I very rarely visit wikisource; email was the only way for notifying me. --Cleonis | Talk 20:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for the note. I am doing just that, but see Template_talk:Small-caps, in which the documentation notes it should be subst'ed (I assume that this for server load, and the fact that the template's code will almost certainly not change)... which is what I am doing. Cheers, Storkk 16:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry for putting that on your user page! I didn't see that your sig automatically brings you to your userpage, and didn't check where I was. sorry again! --Storkk 16:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


Can I ask why you only blocked for a week? I would block unauthorized bots until the operator begins the bot approval process. This one is particularly strange with the reference to someone who left en.WP two years ago and was never active here.--BirgitteSB 19:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that. You might want to update the user talk page, just in case this person comes back. --BirgitteSB 20:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


Your Bug:189 link isn't working - so it's unclear what you're referencing. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Abu Hamid al-Ghazālī 04:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Many problemsEdit

I guess the book could be switched over to the Page: namespace, but there are quite a few problems. There are now two lines of space between each entry. Also, the header is messed up now: the links don't work. In fact, is the header necessary in the Page: namespace? Unless you feel switching it over would greatly improve the navigation or quality of the text, I'd prefer to keep it as it is. It seems to be working just fine. On a side note, would it be possible to add a table containing links to all the pages on History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century/4? Psychless 13:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, well that takes care of most of the problems. If you can get rid of the extraneous linebreaks that go ahead and move them all over there. The index page looks a little strange though. Also, shouldn't the table of contents and such be added to the index? I have heard of the site you're speaking of but if you go to the Google Books page for the book you can find a link to OCR'd text of each page. Google's OCR software is so good I prefer to use that text since it's already divided up into pages. Psychless 14:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine, but...Edit

There were a few things I thought looked strange about the index page:

Psychless 22:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

After further thought on what the page looked like, I've come to some conclusions. The read book without images section can be removed. The red linked image could be removed. I also believe that we could probably just have one index for all four volumes: Index:History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century. There could be four tables with all the links to the pages. Also, once I've added all the text pages I'll need to put links into the table on the index page for all the pages "Facing page x". Those pages contain the portrait of someone. Would it be best to simply copy the images off the google page images, or should I obtain a copy of the book (which I can get at my local library) and scan the portraits? Psychless 01:15, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
When you get a chance, please answer my question. Psychless 21:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I'll be putting in a few hours on this book today. John Vandenberg 21:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Lord Humungous SpeechEdit

Hi John, I read about the inclusion criteria in wikisource but I didn't think that posting a piece of a movie would violate a copyright. I thought that if I posted the entire script then that would violate a copyright. I'm not a copyright lawyer however I based this on the fact that I've noticed articles on song lyrics in wikipedia where the author has posted a piece of the song lyric. Pocopocopocopoco 15:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


Greetings. I saw that you tagged some of my sources as missing headers, specifically the ones here. I'm sort-of new here, and I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly, so I have a few questions.

  1. Did I do this header correctly? [3]
  2. When should I use "override_author", and when should I use simply "author"?
  3. The actual titles of many of these editorials are rather generic (e.g. "THE DRED SCOTT CASE") and others are untitled. Do you think the names for these are appropriate?
  4. Is anything else missing from these?
  5. How about the categories I recently created? Are these correct?

Thanks, Quadell 13:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I edited Middlemarch a few minutes ago, and when I looked at it on my watchlist, it had a red exclamation mark to the left of it. I've never noticed that before. Then, when I refreshed my watchlist, it was gone. What's happening? Cowardly Lion 19:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Christmas and one more questionEdit

Thanks for all the help you've given so far, and thanks for sometimes telling me what to do instead of doing it for me, even though it probably takes up more of your time to write an explanation. I have one more question: I know there's some way of writing an invisible note in a page, so that it can only be seen when you look inside the edit box. I discovered a lot of things just by clicking on links and clicking on more links, and then sometimes later on, I can't find them anymore. I'd like to put an invisible note into Author:Jane Austen, to ask people not to "correct" the spelling of "freindship". (Someone did that recently.) Can you help?

I liked the links you put into The Burning Babe for "sodayne", etc.

And Happy Christmas! Cowardly Lion 17:47, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Done; Merry Xmas! :-) John Vandenberg 20:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. :-) Cowardly Lion 22:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Header and Header2Edit

Hi, I was just wondering five minutes ago if I should ask at Scriptorium what the difference is between Header and Header2, and how to know which one to use, and I see now that you've changed the one I chose. Can you give me any clue as to how I can know for the future? Thanks. Cowardly Lion 23:41, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Header is in the process of being replaced with header2. The key difference is that header requires the user to add the arrows in the previous/next fields, while header2 provides them automatically. header2 separates the data from the presentation, which means the presentation of header2 can be altered. John Vandenberg 23:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I'll use header2 in future. Cowardly Lion 00:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank YouEdit

You are a good man. I am also a person from Wikipedia and English is my first language, I saw the sit and I even mentioned how good it on my user page there. Take a look. That's what I think.--Angel of the Lord 01:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Critique of JudgementEdit

John, why did you put the kaybosh on my attempts to reform Critique of Judgement? There were serious problems with page naming (one subpage called "The Critique of the Critique of Judgment" for instance, found nowhere in the work), as well as wrong titles of parts in the table of contents. Let me anticipate an objection you might have--changing "Critique of Judgment" to "The Critique of Judgement". It may seem an insignificant rationale for changing the page names, but I had a good reason. The translation from the German that the originating user used, a copy of which I own, consistently spelled "Judgement" with an "e" throughout the translation. If this user or I continue to add text, it would seem inconsistent to have the titles say "Judgment" while in the text the word "judgement" with an "e" is used over and over. I also added the word "The" because that's how the translator, w:James Creed Meredith, chose to translate the German title. So again I did it for the sake of consistency.

I don't want to be contradicting you, so please let me know how you'd like me to proceed.

Thank you, 04:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

John, I investigated further as to what you changed, and I saw you agreed with me about the spelling of "Judgement". There were also some complicated moves involved, and you may not have been opposed to my prospective improvements as much I was afraid you were. In light of that, let me briefly explain my thinking when I used the word "The" in "The Critique of Judgement".

I was of two minds as to whether I should use it, so I said to myself, if I see "The" used in other philosophical essays on Wikisource, that will be good to use as a precedent. If not, I'll look at some historical essays, and if not there I'll look at some literary works to see if it's ever used. So I looked in Category:Philosophy and saw The New Atlantis. The title had been listed under "N" by someone correctly using an override feature. As I look there now I also see some of Kant's works without the "The", so I can understand if someone would want to apply consistency to all of Kant's works and be inclined not to use the "The" with Meredith's translated title, The Critique of Judgement. So anyway, that was my thinking, that in the long run, the titles originally starting with articles would be readded, and have their titles overridden in the appropriate "first initial" or "index" override field of the Title template. For all I know there may be future software limitations that might make that too inconvenient to carry out, but I was using my best "judgment" based on limited information. You have exhibited skill in software development here, so I would particularly welcome your opinion regarding this issue.

Thanks, 05:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


Fielding opinions on splitting Wikisource:United States into separate sub-indices for the individual states. If we google/search, we can find four or five existing WS works for each state, and can then link to offsite PD texts for each one as well. The United States is fairly unique in its citizens having a great deal of patriotism to their individual state - thus a new member from Texas is more likely to contribute to Wikisource:Texas than they are to help with Wikisource:United States. Thoughts? Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Arthur Schopenhauer 06:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


I don't have a copy of Catholic Encylcopedia thingy uhhh...but I am Catholic. Of course, you kind of saw that comming. Well I'll be glad to join Wikiscource:Wikiproject Bible but of course it has to be a Catholic or at least something for all Christian readers. I'm kind of forbid to read the texts outsie my faith. But I respect different people's opinions...I'm sorry did I just change the subject?--Angel of the Lord 01:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

  • In time my friend. I'm a very busy person. I hav a lot of things to do. But I'll try to do something.--Angel of the Lord 01:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


Not sure if it was a mistake or what, but I reverted Letter announcing Selassie's Ascension moved to Letter announcing Selassie's Ascension since one is "behind the scenes work" and the other is the actual mainspace text with header, categories, formatting and such. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Haile Selassie 08:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

No mistake; because the translation was provided at Letter announcing Selassie's Ascension, we needed to move that page into the main namespace. As the text was already copied to Letter announcing Selassie's Ascension, I did a history merge of both pages, which is a bit messy. Your undo of the last change in the history was my next action - you beat me to it. John Vandenberg 08:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
cheers Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Haile Selassie 08:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


Sign me up. I'm in. I accept your offer--Angel of the Lord 13:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Page patrolling - please take a lookEdit

Hi, I've been patrolling pages and I feel that I may have patrolled a few that should have been left for someone more experienced. I'd appreciate your taking a look at some of the pages from Special:Contributions/Haabet that have "tight-lacing" or "TIGHT-LACING" in the title. I was wondering if they should have headers. There's nothing to click on in those pages to take me back to any parent pages, author, etc.

I was also going to ask you to take a look at Talk:John Adams' Third State of the Union Address, and had made a note of the link, but I see you've deleted the page, so I guess I was right to have doubts about that one.

I've started taking photos of the first page of each of Shakespeare's plays from the First Folio from 1623, and I'll be uploading them to Commons shortly. If you see me messing up anything, please give me a shout! Thanks. Cowardly Lion 16:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Bret Harte's works (Condensed Novels in particular)Edit

It's one thing when we're talking about a collection of works originally published independently, that have no connection to one another, and were gathered together between the covers of a single book for mere convenience. It's quite another when a piece was conceived from the beginning as a component part of a larger work. The short stories that comprise Sherwood Anderson's Winesburg, Ohio, or James Thurber's My Life and Hard Times are examples of the latter. Short-stories they may be, but the author always considered them to be part of a larger work. Bret Harte seems to have taken this attitude to his work in general, being very careful not to mix say the gold-rush sketches with his later work, but rather to publish them together separately from other material. In the case of Condensed Novels however there is no doubt that Bret Harte regarded the individual pieces not as stand-alone items, but as components of a larger work. From their first newspaper appearance they were published as a series under the title Condensed Novels, and indeed, Harte intended that the reader's expectations would be guided by that title. Their first book publication in 1867 was under the title Condensed Novels and Other Papers, and in it the Condensed Novels appear in a section by themselves, separate from the "Civic Sketches" and "Legends and Tales". When Bret Harte republished Condensed Novels by itself it was essentially the same work, though he did add the Charles Reade and Bulwer Lytton parodies to it. At no time did he publish any of the parodies separately outside the Condensed Novels collection, or scatter them among his other works. (This has been done by others after his death, but seems to me to do violence to Harte's intentions.)

As to "Zut-Ski" (which I assume you're setting up as a model for handling the rest of the material) I have no quarrel with shortening the page name, but is there some way we can get Condensed Novels: Second Series back into the top position? I don't think it's appropriate to put the component name in the center top and to place the series title in the notes below it. (I would also take exception to describing it as "collected into" rather than as "part of" as I've already indicated.) This problem is going to be critical if and when I get to James and Horace Smith's Rejected Addresses, where the premise of the entire work is essential to getting the point of the individual parodies. (Never mind this one--I figured out how to do this. Sbh 23:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC))

I also see you've added information about the target of the parody. Should I be doing that? I'd certainly like to, but I thought that would be forbidden under the "no original research" guideline, especially as the author himself doesn't include the information.

I like the way you pushed the table of contents over to the right; that improves the appearance of the page considerably.

I have a couple of questions I'm going to throw out at you in the hopes that you can either answer them or point me in the right direction. The 1867 edition of Condensed Novels as scanned by Google has illustrations for some of the pieces. Can I include them in the wikisource version, or would I have to find another copy and do my own scan? Or what? It's not really important, but I'd like to know.

Also, is there any way of including an "authors parodied" page somewhere in wikisource? Both Beerbohm and Harte did Rudyard Kipling and Marie Corelli parodies, for example, and it would be cool if there were somewhere to look up Kipling or Corelli to see who has parodied them, or what parodies of them exist.

As for header vs. header2, that was just me being obtuse. I hadn't noticed that there were two different header formats, so I was accidentally using them indiscriminately. Sorry about that.

Thanks for the input. Sbh 23:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Help, please.Edit

Thanks for the welcome! I have a question. I've tried to find a page for Hunter S. Thompson quotes so that I could add some if they weren't there, but there doesn't even seem to be a page for him! Am I just not searching correctly, or is there really no page for him? TIA. Belial 17:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Illustrations for Condensed NovelsEdit

Fantastic! The cropping is an immense improvement. I think I figured out how to do that with the software I have. Sbh 03:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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