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Act 1 of 1834 (India)

I'm a little confused. You've nominated Act 1 of 1834 (India) and Act 2 of 1834 (India) for speedy deletion with nomination reason

"Incomplete, this appears to be commentary".

"This appears to be" suggests to me that you stumbled on the page, had a look at it, and are speculating that it is probably commentary and therefore out of scope. That's fair enough, except...

It was you who created the page, and less than three weeks ago! Don't you remember where and why you created it?

Hesperian 00:10, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

I did, but based on the other collections of Acts being the full text of the relevant Acts as opposed to the short notes these are, I didn't feel they were appropriately titled anymore, and hence the speedy deletion nomination, as I was the original creator of the pages in question. If you think a move would be more appropriate, I'm open to suggestions.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:15, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Full text of Act 2 of 1834: Hrishikes (talk) 00:57, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks , Can You get that uploaded overnight? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:58, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
And my thinking here is , Earlier edition of the same work? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 01:00, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Index:Acts of the Parliament of India 2001.djvu

Fixed. Hrishikes (talk) 03:59, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management

Hi, Working on Page:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu/109 and have proofread it, but would like the page spanning tables checked. Are they going to work on transclusion? The "continued" lines and "Carried forward" shouldn’t transclude; how does {{aligned table}} work spanning tables? It isn’t in the documentation. I can validate if you tell me it’s all good. Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 22:51, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure myself, ask for help on these. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:53, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Page:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu/2217

/* Problematic */ "Almond cream" is missing
Can you tell me the advantages of TOCstyle for indices? This is an example of a disadvantage… Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 23:14, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Almond cream should be there. TOCstyle as it gives the leaders. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:16, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Index:Knight (1975) Past, Future and the Problem of Communication in the Work of V V Klhebnikov.djvu

Great work, I have proof read the pages you did previously. I use the OCR gadget (set in preferences) which OCR s the text in one click. That works quite well. Fabian Tompsett (MDR) (talk) 17:47, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

I thought ...

Hi, I thought you had agreed to abandon the username SFan00, and yet I see you are using both names in the same discussion on Commons. You must surely know that this frowned on in all parts of Wikimedia and could lead to you being banned over there.

Additionally, please let the sleeping tiger lie peacefully. There is no need to chase "might be" copyvios on Commons. If you suspect something that we have here, then let's discuss it here. If the result is that it needs moving or deleting, then we can do what we need to do. And then, and only then, notify Commons. In most cases there is no rush. Her Majesty is really not worrying about which server a copy of the text of the KJV is hosted on. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:08, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I had already asked Commons to lock the alternate, account. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:28, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Index:The Hymns of the Rigveda Vol 1.djvu

Fixed. Hrishikes (talk) 14:56, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Index:Acts of the Constituent Assembly of India 1949.djvu

Please recheck. Hrishikes (talk) 10:35, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

What is the problem now? Hrishikes (talk) 15:05, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Some pages at the rear that are dated for 1948.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)


Fixed. Hrishikes (talk) 15:04, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Category:Index - File to fix

Hi, I'm beginning to work through the backlog in this category. I'm finding that for several of the Index: pages that you've marked as needing to be fixed I've got no clue as to what the problem is. Could you please put a note either on the talk page or in the volumes field? Then I, or anyone else working on these Index: pages know what to do. Some examples:

Thanks, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:19, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


Can u pse have a look at row 17 of this page? Hrishikes (talk) 16:31, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Resolved with another template. Hrishikes (talk) 01:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Assistance in proofing Iran Air Flight 655

I've been attempting to perfect the pages for Iran Air Flight 655 investigation., but have struggling intermittently for the past few weeks. Most of the pages were hastily proofred and validated by seperate users without establishing formatting guidlines, and I've been attempting to merge several of them together, as well as correcting transcription errors. It's reached the point where I'm doubting my own consistency in editing. Can you help me pass over the work and make sure it's ready for validation? --Legofan94 (talk) 15:48, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

You'll have to find someone else I'm afraid, as I initially cleaned this up from OCR, scan. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Understood, Thanks for the edits regardless. --Legofan94 (talk) 15:57, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate pages and image quality

Apropos Index:A Collection of Two Hundred and Fifty Coloured Etchings Descriptive of the Manners, Customs and Dresses of the Hindoos.djvu and Index:Oriental Scenery — One Hundred and Fifty Views of the Architecture, Antiquities, and Landscape Scenery of Hindoostan.djvu. Duplicate pages can be marked as without text and the show can go on. No need to waste precious bandwidth on this. Have you checked the file size of Solvyns' work? As for image quality, now check after proofreading of some images of the Oriental Scenery. Feedback is requested. Hrishikes (talk) 03:38, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Have completed the page listing for both of them, just marked the duplicates in the run appropriately. No concerns now prevent proofreading, if you are drawing the images from a better quality source you might want to list it in the Index pages. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:28, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
The work does have 150 views, you know, including the 6 sepia aquatint title pages. In an art album, title pages also count. These are separately displayed as works of art in museum galleries, e.g. Part 1 title, Part 2 title. Hrishikes (talk) 15:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Sketches of representative women of New England

thanks for the comment. now the problem. we have a scan with 2 pages missing, Index:Representative Women of New England.djvu, and a scan with 6 image pages missing, Index:Sketches of representative women of New England.djvu. i take it you would suggest inserting the pages in the first scan. Slowking4SvG's revenge 12:04, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I've been re-paging the second file as best I can. As long as there's one complete version do what you will. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:07, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
thanks, i see you are done, and i will finish. i take it, i will have to find and insert the 6 images. it is all very frustrating, when 2 institutions cannot do a scan right. Slowking4SvG's revenge 15:04, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm confident that in the repaging, some missing images might have vanished. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:37, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
i have combed through images. they appear to be all there. i will double check against the list of illustrations. but if some are missed or in wrong place it is ok, we can transclude with the article. will use crop tool on commons to make presentable. Slowking4SvG's revenge 21:00, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Your proofreading

I am again having to fix up errors in your applied formatting where you have made errors in the template names that you have applied, and not identified when you have saved the page. There are numerous numbers of these. If you are not picking up overt errors like applied formatting, how well does your proofreading progress. It would seem that you are not checking the page after you have saved it, as template errors stand out like dogs' balls, and I ask that you review your practice. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:11, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Which works? I stopped marking stuff as overtly proofread many months ago.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
I will however review efforts made in the past few months to satisfy your desire to have "perfect" transcriptions. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Your comments on my talk page, whilst helpful did not directly identify which works were of concern, which I had to determine by looking at what you'd recently "fixed".

I'm considering if I continue contributing if there is a first-time 'perfectionist' agenda, as concerns had been raised previously about sloppy proofreading.

Wikisource does not need contributors that can't meet the standard. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:59, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

On a more conciliatory note is there a list of red-linked templates as a report? This might help contributors identify dormant template typos not yet identified? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:14, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
The works is not important though you are welcome to review my edits, and you are missing the point. You are obviously not reviewing a page after you have saved it if you are missing broken templates. These are basic errors and indicate that you are not undertaking basic review after save. Proofread at a lower rate by taking more time to look for errors, not while editing, but also after saving and look again. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:31, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for convincing me that a 'perfection' standard is now being applied. I do undertake a preview, review after save etc., so I am just as puzzled as to how a small number of 'basic errors' have slipped through. I was asking about specific works so that I could focus any reviewing on works where the class of "basic mistake" may be more common.

That said, the tone of your concern suggests that I should other than reviewing past contributions cease active contributions on the grounds of competence, as I'm perhaps not up to the 'basic' standard you would prefer (you and other contributors having left comments like this in the past).

On a technical aside, I note that some changes to the editing UI are planned (like syntax highlighting). Perhaps longer term it would be possible to further amend the editing UI to make it "impossible" to save/publish a page which has "undefined templates" in it? ( Whilst this wouldn't catch all instances of typoed templates, it would catch many of the examples you've been able to identify).

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:47, 28 July 2017

Thanks you for identifying material which needs review. However in going back through material contributed since March, I've (not yet) found other examples, aside from the one's you've already identified and fixed. Granted those shouldn't have occurred in the first place. 4 pages (based on the entries in your contributions log) is not "numerous" examples as your comment would suggest. It's still too many though.

A list of red-linked templates would as previously indicated be useful, as it would help identify remaining typo template calls. That is unless you seriously want me to go through every single page I've ever contributed, which would be extremely inefficient.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:29, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Farb, but we need a collaborative way to raise issues of quality and coach newbies to standards. the "your recent edits" and "work here" is a little off-putting. we need to suggest saving un-proofread as a option when standard is unclear. unclear what error rate is worthy of comment or actionable, given The Farmbrough effect. we need a standard of practice that starts: "hi, thanks for the proofreading, however some things are a concern for me. let’s talk." we need some tools like maintenance category, or page query with certain characters. we could even use a bot that correct certain known OCR errors. Slowking4SvG's revenge 12:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

I understand that some errors slip through, even for the best editors. However, when I do this regular cleanup of broken templates, your edits come through time and time again, and little in the way for other editors. I haven't commented in the previous months about the same issues and just fixed them. Broken templates is such a basic and overt error and should be captured by the contributor at the time of making it. That you have happen it over and over again has to be an indicator of some things, primarily that you don't do a sufficient visual check of a saved page, the big red wikilink for a template, and not the formatted text, should be a shouting indicator of a problem, an example Page:Plomer Dictionary of the Booksellers and Printers 1907.djvu/224. Also, there is already a list of templates presented on every page when you edit, with non-existing templates being shown in red. That is not sufficient? If you are not using currently available tools, what is the point of creating something else for you. A big red wikilink where a template should be, should be sufficient highlighting of an error. What more could you possibly need? — billinghurst sDrewth 14:09, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

The list of templates is collapsed in the UI. However, it's no longer my concern. I am leaving this project unless there is an attitude shift. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:13, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Furthermore you seem to desire I recheck all my contributions ever, which is HIGHLY ineffective in finding 'problems'. If someone can provide a list of redlinked templates, I can get started on fixing them a lot more quickly than having an argument here. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:27, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
You still are not listening. There is zero request by me, nor expectation, that you recheck any of your old edits. I have asked that when you save a page that you review the page before moving on. For the purpose of the discussion, there is no need to provide any list of redlinked templates, that is not what I am asking, as the fixes have been made, and are regularly made. The purpose is for you to review again when you have hit save, you are missing things, and with templates it is overt things. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:41, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Ah... Then I believe I owe you an apology. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:52, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Page list

There's no hurry (at all), but I'd appreciate it if you could fix my failed attempt at creating a pagelist for Index:Poems of Ossian.djvu. Thank you. ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:40, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Template for Title pages

Hi, I saw your edit on Page:語言自邇集_-_Yǔ_yán_zì_ěr_jí._A_progressive_course_designed_to_assist_the_student_of_colloquial_Chinese_Vol_2.djvu/7. To be honest, I just copied it from the Volume 1 which is not my work as well. I'm mainly interested in the content, less on the format. I'm relatively new to Wikisource formatting and to overall generic typography. Is there any specific templates recommanded for title page? Assassas77 (talk) 16:21, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

See {{larger}}, {{smaller}} etc... That's how you are supposed to change the size of text. The reason is to do with it being CSS based, and thus consistent across different browsers and platforms. BIG and SMALL as HTML tags aren't, and in any event those tags are due to be deprecated in strict HTML anyway, in favour of the much more flexible style-sheet approaches. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
thumbup, oh, of course! I remember using those BIG, SMALL, STRONG tags when I got my first computer 15 years ago! Assassas77 (talk) 16:32, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Download access

Hi! Do you have access to the book at (also at I was told that a Briton should have access. Hrishikes (talk) 14:48, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry I don't. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:49, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Do you know anyone else on Wikisource connected to a British university who may be able to access the book at the South Asia Archive? Mahir256 (talk) 03:00, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
@MartinPoulter: Can you help with the book above? Hrishikes (talk) 04:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
When I sign in to the site using my University of Oxford ID, I get the error "unauthenticated": tried a few times. Looks like Oxford isn't a subscribing institution. The Bodleian doesn't have a scanned copy. Sorry I can't be more help, MartinPoulter (talk) 21:00, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Bengali names

"V" is not to be used in English rendering of Bengali names, because Bengali pronunciation is "b". Secondly, middle name is attached with first name in original, and to be maintained as such in English when the middle name is short (e.g. for 1 & 2: Rabindranath Tagore). Thirdly, archaic forms like Bannerjea (and other variants, see w:Banerjee) are not to be used as per current spelling rules. English spelling, being a secondary one, is to follow the primary Bengali spelling, as per current standard. (Exceptions given for Tagore and some other famous forms in the rule by the statutory agency for Bengali spelling, w:Paschimbanga Bangla Akademi). Hrishikes (talk) 12:05, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarifcation, would you like me to revert? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:10, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Have now reverted this to the form that you gave originally, do we have any dates for the author? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:13, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Various book storage sites give birth year as 1888. Could not find death year. Hrishikes (talk) 12:17, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Tried searching Gazzette copies for a death announcement? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:22, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Futile. Not so prominent an author. And most such gazettes have no associated text file, so not searchable by Google etc. Hrishikes (talk) 17:14, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

File to fix

Why can't you specifically mention the defects on the index page instead of just declaring the file as defective and leaving it at that? The defect can be mentioned in the pagelisting field, above the pagelist, so that someone can take corrective action. If there is ocr mismatch or some such (as you mentioned in edit history of Index:The Travels of Dean Mahomet.djvu, research required to find your comment!!), then no corrective action is required, one can fetch the ocr by clicking the ocr button (esp. Google OCR) during proofreading. In cases where corrective action is required, please mention it prominently, so that one can readily see it without doing much research. Hrishikes (talk) 17:18, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

A project

You had created Author:Kylas Chunder Dutt, so I have a project for you, if you are interested. I think it is likely that Kylas was the father of Author:Oomesh Chunder Dutt. Can you try to find out? The Dutt Family of Rambagan was so big, and so full of notable people, (second only to the Tagore Family in Bengal), that it is proving a bit difficult. All sources agree that Oomesh was the nephew of Author:Govin Chunder Dutt, but no source I find mentions Oomesh's father. It stands to reason that Oomesh's father was either Govin's brother or first cousin. Among the first cousins were Ishan Chunder Dutt (father of Author:Romesh Chunder Dutt) and Ishan's brother, Author:Shoshee Chunder Dutt. Ishan and Shoshee's progeny are mentioned in Index:Life and Work of Romesh Chunder Dutt, C.I.E..djvu, and Oomesh is not among them. Index:The Dutt Family Album.djvu contains works by Govin and his immediate family only, so Oomesh should have been Govin's brother's son. So Kylas seems to be the only candidate, although there could have been other brothers between Kylas and Govin. These are all conjectures, I could not find any hard facts. Over to you. Hrishikes (talk) 05:07, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Resolved. Oomesh was indeed Kylas's son: 1, 2, 3. Hrishikes (talk) 06:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I only created the author page based on a death date I found by searching the name on Google, as your follow-up shows you have more knowledge than I do, so I am the wrong person to ask. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:47, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Index:The Talking Thrush, and other tales from India.djvu

Fixed. Hrishikes (talk) 16:20, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Index:The Butterflies of India, Burmah and Ceylon Vol 3.djvu

I think it is a case of misnumbering of pages in the book. Pp. 369-70 are absent in another scan: The text of p. 368 seems continuous with that of p. 371. Hrishikes (talk) 13:59, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Okay then I will assume good faith , and treat this as a printer's error in the absence of other scans with those pages specfically. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Index:The Positive Sciences of the Ancient Hindus.djvu

Fixed. Hrishikes (talk) 12:09, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Page:Deccan Nursery Tales.djvu/1‎

Proofreading that image is not required. See the transclusion. Hrishikes (talk) 11:54, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@Hrishikes: Thanks for making me aware of the extended syntax there, it should make some other works easier to handle :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:05, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Index:Angelo's Pic Nic.djvu

File fixed. Hrishikes (talk) 15:11, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Hrishikes: I'm still seeing a mismatch in the pages added. So I've reverted my attempt to add a pagelist, You're on your own, SorryShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

For example Page:Angelo's Pic Nic.djvu/21 has the text for Page:Angelo's Pic Nic.djvu/18 (and so on) with respect to the re-aligned scans.; ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:33, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


Just wondering if it is preferable technically speaking to make this change or if you just personally prefer one method over the other? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:15, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

I think it's preferable per the style guide for to use wiki markup(an admin once told me I'd better follow the style guide when I left HTML tags, entities, &c. in a work). JustinCB (talk) 14:29, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Enjoy your wikibreak!

I've learned a lot from you recently, and enjoyed working with you. Enjoy your time off, I look forward to seeing you around again! -Pete (talk) 17:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

:) All the best, Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:17, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about float templates

By the way, the way they are now ALSO breaks many pages too because it's used with block elements inside the template or multi-paragraph things in the template. I changed it to use <div> unless the display argument is set to something other than block. JustinCB (talk) 01:14, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

It isn't better, and I won't edit it no more. Sorry for the inconveniance. JustinCB (talk) 02:12, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Whatever way works best is the way it should be, but discussion needs to happen to find that out, therefore what I did was wrong, and I apologise. JustinCB (talk) 02:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Untitled comment from WolfHowler=

Can I create the page that you have reverted? WolfHolwer (talk) 17:46, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Ask about creating a new page on the Scriptorium, the requirements here are somewhat different from Wikipedia. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:48, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. I hear that you are retired, according to your user page! WolfHolwer (talk) 18:07, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Only "retired" in the sense of not contributing as much to Wikisource. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:09, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, seems that you're an administrator, can you add me there? WolfHolwer (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

All over the shop like an eveready bunny

Please take a breath. You bounce around like an eveready bunny any time any comment is made. A slower methodical and thoughtful approach can have benefits. Take some time to see what people are saying, reflect on it, rather than half-reading and bouncing into some sort of action. It may allow you to understand the context of the comment. Breathe enjoy, no rush, no compulsion. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:39, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. You don't happen to know any LUA coders? Certain templates I wrote, have become de-facto un-maintainable. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Depending on how complex what they do is, rewriting them might be worth it(as I have on occasion done, mostly on pages, but once to the memcon header[that's one case that nobody's complain'd about]). If you want, I might be able to recreate the unmaintainable templates in a more maintainable state, in subpages of my userpage if you would like. JustinCB (talk) 22:18, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
@JustinCB: Thank you for the offer (but bear in mind that at least on of templates needing rewriting has many higher level ones depending on it), Do you really want to descend the circles of hell and pass through pugatory trying to debug all the interactions? XD ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:56, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Reverse dependency hell: it's no plesaunt, but someone must deal with it. If you give me a list of the in fact(though not by law, or official desiding) unmaintainable templates, I will attempt some rewrites. Even if I don't do all of them, you don't really have anything to lose. If I rewrite them better, you'll have better templates, if I don't, they'll stay the same(for I'll do any rewriting in my userspace). JustinCB (talk) 00:36, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
{{cl-act-paragraph}} is the major one that needs re-writing. If you can understand XML/XSL etc.. see also the item I posted on the Scriptorum. I'd highly reccomend developing any replacement 'family' of templats under a new name initally. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Is {{cl-act-title}} supposed to put the title in a footnote? JustinCB (talk) 15:40, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Currently {{Cl-act-title}} puts a sidenoted reference, because proper side-titles can't yet be accomodated. It's by now means ideal..

I assume you know what side titles and marginal citations are? If not examine some of the scans.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:42, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Emminent Women

The replacing of the smaller block template was a mistake, thank you for catching it. This kind of thing is why I generally don't modify the first & last templates on a page, & I probably was going too fast, for it was sloppy. JustinCB (talk) 22:18, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

See the comments I left on your talk page.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:52, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


Are there any undocumented arguments to this template and/or its sub-templates, and are there any subtemplates in addition to cl-act-paragraph/1 ? Also, besides handling more arguments, what's the difference between cl-act-paragraph and cl-act-paragraph/1 ? Thanks. JustinCB (talk) 00:35, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Not sure, You'd have to check the template code itself... Also cl-act-paragraph1 is a higher level template which adds some pre-formatting for numbers. IIRC.

The current version of Cl-act Paragraph is at least stable at the moment.

See the comment I posted on Scriptorum/Help.. You might want to compare the two layouts I linked.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:46, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Yea, I believe you're right about the sub-templates(higher level). I've got User:JustinCB/cl-act-p(for {{cl-act-paragraph}}) up now. I'll do the sub-templates tomorrow maybe. JustinCB (talk) 03:47, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Hm... It's displays right over to the side of screen... Meaning you have to scroll over to see it..., hmmm... ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:33, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
There was SUPPOSED to be a fix in the mainspace to deal with it, but apperantly not working. What do you think of it now that it automatically adds a margin? Do you think that it needs to handle not adding margins, too, or is it alright the way it is(note that since the current version only handles the default right alignment[it just ignores the layout argument], I don't think there are very many pages using left[which creates a more obvious margin])? JustinCB (talk) 12:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Personally I would have used something like Template:Sidetitled begin Template:Sidetitled end to add the margin shifts.. but it looks good so far..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
My split=heading parameter behaves differently... It in effect in my versions passes a formatted BLOCK straight through, a block that may have it's own associated title parameter. As for table handling that's a whole other worm can to open... 13:29, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
The previous version used DIV's instead of P - with cl-act-title being changed around the same time... It was abandoned because of concerns it didn't work with the then current sidenote handling. You might want to take a look at those older versions as well... 3 different approaches and none of them entirely compatible with the rest of mediawiki.

As I said how many circles do you wish to descend? XD ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:33, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

What did the heading parameter itself cause the style to be? In mine, it causes the text to be bolded:

like this

If the formatting was different, I'll change it, but if the way it is is OK, I'll leave it. By the way, I only use a <div> if "split" is set to "table", for <div> can hold table, but <p> can't. JustinCB (talk) 16:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Have a look at {{cl-act-heading/1}} and {{cl-act-heading/2}} for examples other than that the "style" was that a heading was user specified. See for examples the Schedules to Railways Act 1921 ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:46, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
After a lot of investigation.. I figured out a potential pitfall with splitting a table... In that what actually got rendered was something along the lines of

When the text parameters of respective calls to the template were combined!... It should be obvious what happens ;) Item 3 gets Squashed! (insane laughter sounds) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:10, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Another problem, how can you tell if the table is starting or ending? If "split=table" causes it to be able to contain a table, it works, but if "split=table" causes the table to be split, how do you know which starts & which ends? If we're going to split a table we need "split=table-start" and "split=table-end" or else we have no way to tell if it's starting or ending. JustinCB (talk) 18:32, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Or continuing... which is why in my version it just passed through (badly). hmmShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:45, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Do you think it ought to define what way the table is being split("split=table", "split=table-start", "split=table-end", "split=table-cont"), or should it pass the text through(correctly handling newlines with, for example, {{nopt}} ? If it does the first, usages will need to be redone that use "split=table", if it does the second, it won't be able to handle the paragraph styles(margins, padding, &c.). JustinCB (talk) 20:00, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Take it to a wider audience, I'm not sure. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:02, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
The testcases page that you linked to is now working with my version. It's passing through the table just fine, and I removed the {{rowbreak}} you added to keep item 3 from getting squashed(it caused item 3's cell to contain an extra linebrake). I'll write a {{cl-act-paragraph/x}} replacement, copy and convert {{cl-act-heading/1}} and {{cl-act-heading/2}} then the templates will be all rewritten(in my userspace[note that User:JustinCB/cl-act-p/indexstyle is a redirect, for the current template is OK] and I can take a brake). JustinCB (talk) 02:48, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
User:JustinCB/cl-act-p/x is now up. I'll do the cl-act-heading templates tomorrow. JustinCB (talk) 03:38, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
As far as the code is concerned, my version isn't too complex. I simplified the code again today. My version uses several sub-templates internally, so handling each subpart to what it does is done by a separate subtemplate. This, I believe, makes it more maintainable, for if you want to change one thing, you just go to the template that handles it, and change it! JustinCB (talk) 14:43, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
It might be EXTRA whitespace, not missing whitespace that's causeing your problems. I removed all whitespace from everything handling the tables, and now it works. JustinCB (talk) 23:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

The legacy testcases work now, you just forgat for to add the code to start a new row(so it look'd like it wasn't brakeing properly). On a different note, did you see my question on orthography at the Scots Acts of Parliament. JustinCB (talk) 00:54, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I did see the orthography point and responded there.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:56, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
What work did you want me to test these templates with? What is the procedure for deploying a template like this in a work as a test? JustinCB (talk) 14:47, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't know, ask a wider audience. This needs to be tested BEFORE it gets deployed widely, given the issues with the current incarnation (insane laughter). ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:51, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
There's this - Index:Short Titles Act 1896(ukpga 18960014 en).pdf which was currently using {{numbered div}}'s.
I just realized, that {{rowbreak}} isn't used anywhere else, so the legacy testcase using it is rather pointless(and that pointless testcase is the only one that doesn't work perfectly[the template includes a line brake, which causes the first row to be two lines tall and pushes the last item of the first row to the top{by default, table content is vertically center'd}]). I'll look into(and ask at the index's talk page about) testing my template there. JustinCB (talk) 15:15, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Look at the short titles pages now. I only changed the first two pages because the rest is tabular data which is tedious to change, and it worked well with tables even in the "evil tests for insanity purposes." Than look at User:JustinCB/short titles, which shows how it will look when transcluded into mainspace. Note that page 2, for the paragraphs on that page uses "layout=rlpage", which means "right, but left in the page namespace" because they should display on the side they're on on the page in the page namespace, but all on the same side in mainspace. JustinCB (talk) 16:51, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Section break and outrdent to add replies

Looks good so far... Minor concerns:
  • Format of Margin Note - In template is bold right aligned, should be left aligned 0.8 em, (maybe that should be user option?). ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:09, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
  • In transclusion - Looks good, pushes down as desired, but on my browser the First Schedule heading runs into it. Do we need a {{cl-act-clear}} ? to reset the layout, when we encounter a heading? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:09, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
  • White-spacing (but this could be due to there being blank lines in the sourcing). And when the line breaking is collapsed, the side-titling is confused..
  • I've just spotted something that might break it completely... And that's the LST section break... Not sure how to solve that issue at present so it may be that for sectionlisation reasons the table in this instance would have to be outside the structuring... Bother...

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:13, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I've made some tweaks in the cl-act-title replacement. ;) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:32, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
@JustinCB:- In respect of the LST issue, How hard would it be to in addition to the current handling, to have s c and e versions of the template?, following the practices used elsewhere? (An approach that was also suggested by another contributor)? With these versions the split parameter could be partly dispensed with, reducing a little of the complexity.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:57, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
I may look into this when I have more confidence...ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:57, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
@JustinCB: Thanks.. Per the conventions elsewhere, s,c,e, versions don't have text, look at how {{block center/s}} and {{block center/e}} get used... That approach was suggested to deal with potential section break issues. You've already got further with these templates than I would have :)
Intended use would be like this....
{{cl-act-paragraph/1/s|s1=5|title=Procedure for modifying the the model code.}}
In the event of the model code needing to be extensively modified, the procedure shall be for 
>>.... Page or section break intervenes ....<<
the responsible contingent to conform to the process as load out following
{{cl-act-paragraph/1|c|s1=5}} <!-- The end numbering here is unused in the template, but it help keep track of things in a LONG work, or across a number of pages.

This is because at present a Section tag can't be nested inside a template.

Retaining both the split= approach and the s/e/c versions would be reasonable. Maybe split is overloaded and we need a different format to specify if it's a heading , footer , table... going forward..

Next time a complex template needs re-writing, I would be wholly in favour of writing a spec first :(. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:06, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Also I found I'd created Template:Cl-act-preamble at some point... It I think can remain largely unchanged as mostly what it does is generate an acnhor for the preamble portion IIRC.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:13, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
I've fix'd the issue of indenting, but you might want to use the rlpage/lrpage for some of them so that it'll be consistent when transcluded. JustinCB (talk) 17:58, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

On layouts (Aside)

Oh and as a very long time aside on layout issues generally. may be of interest..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:09, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Sounds like a not very well supported replacement for table-based layouts. JustinCB (talk) 23:07, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Now if you could set-up a grid layout based on a "named" marker in a span... hmm...ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:08, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Are you asking me to see about something, or is this just something you think might be useful/should be part of HTML? JustinCB (talk) 01:32, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
{@JustinCB:I was speaking generally. You are busy enough as it is with the cl-act-paragraph re-write. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:58, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Do you know the intended behavior, arguments &c to the cl-act-heading templates(there's no documentation, so if you don't know I'll have to go through the code)? JustinCB (talk) 15:04, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

On Cl-act-heading =

Moment, adding documentation to the templates. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:32, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

On Scots

I created {{yogh}} which will transclude as z in page space, but as the symbol ȝ you mention on the relevant talk page.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:09, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

You forgot that yogh can be capital, too, so I created {{YOGH}}. JustinCB (talk) 14:12, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
{{Yogh upper}} - Which I can redirect ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:46, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

On other Scribal expansions

@JustinCB: See also Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help/Archives/2017#Short_Titles_-_Character_enquiry., re the scribal markings in the titles, there is by no means a consensus about to how handle them. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:21, 29 January 2018 (UTC)


I've ask'd User:Zyephyrus what does he think of this for Ruffhead on his talk page. If us three think, that using the rewritten cl-act-paragraph template on Mr. Ruffhead's Statutes at large is OK, we can probably use it there, and if it works well, you'll have more clout when trying for to remove the current (buggy) cl-act-paragraph templates. JustinCB (talk) 02:42, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

The cl-act-p & related templates rewrite is done. How can I get ahold of User:Zyephyrus for to get his input on this? He seems to be either ignoring his talk page(s) or really busy & I really don't know what the proper way to ask his input. JustinCB (talk) 19:00, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't know either. sorry... ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:01, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
It's OK, I'll figure it out. JustinCB (talk) 20:21, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Am I being over-cautious for to ask both contributors on the Ruffhead work, or am I right that it's necessary for to ask all contributors on this work about testing it? JustinCB (talk) 12:57, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Cautious is fine :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:09, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
I've posted on his talk page here & @ French Wikisource over a week ago & I've only gotten a response on something completely unrelated to this. Why don't you try to get ahold of him? JustinCB (talk) 14:38, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


I've written a template that can be used to wrap titles in so that they don't push dropped initials down. I'm also making some technical changes to the templates to ease maintainence, which aren't quite done yet. JustinCB (talk) 12:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

@JustinCB: Thanks. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:58, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

ref tags in sidenotes cl-act-p

By the way, there's nothing in the new template preventing you from doing something like {{User:JustinCB/cl-act-p|title=<ref>A sample side title</ref>}} JustinCB (talk) 00:42, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I know that , I may once the template is "stable" in process terms use that approach. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:55, 1 February 2018 (UTC)


There is no need to create this since Template:Tf has already been tagged for deletion, following a deletion discussion. We are simply waiting for all uses to be replaced prior to deletion. So creating derivative templates would be counter-productive at this time. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Okay... What was the agreed replacement for {{tf}} Last time I looked at the relevant disscussion it had stalled?

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I can't determine what the proposed replacement was, but see the relevant discussion. If I understood this better, I would try to assist with deprecating the template. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I started that disscussion on the grounds of potential duplication, but no ideal replacement seemed to have emerged. as {{p}} and {{span}} don't necessarily apply to the same use cases as {{tf}}. The {{tf}} template isn't widely used though, so if you can come up with a suitable replacement. I'd rather not encoded DIV tags directly in a content namespace.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Using {{tf/e}}

Template:Tf/s"With heaps of love to everybody,Template:Tf/e Template:Tf/s"Pollyanna."Template:Tf/e

Using {{p}}

"With heaps of love to everybody,


The former presentation is preferable in this simple example. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

My original intent was a block level template that did [t]ext-[f]ormatting using short codes instaed of having to encode lengthy CSS sequences manually in content namespaces. I would strongly suggest examining some of the examples. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:37, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Why not use:

"With heaps of love to everybody,

--EncycloPetey (talk) 21:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Keep it simple: - Okay like it :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
If you can fix the others go right ahead..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
I've done about half of them. A few will need some other method of replacement, such as a right-overfloating table. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
As it wasn't used, I made some chnages to {{tf}}

{{tf/s|ac|pb0|sc|fwb}}Lorem Ipsum{{tf/e}}
{{tf/s|ac|pt0|sm|fsi}}30th February 2019{{tf/e}}{{tf/e}}
{{tf/s|ac|lg|fsi}}An explantion on a highly extensive text formatting scheme.


Template:Tf/sTextTemplate:Tf/e Template:Tf/s Template:Tf/sLorem IpsumTemplate:Tf/e Template:Tf/s30th February 2019Template:Tf/eTemplate:Tf/e Template:Tf/sAn explantion on a highly extensive text formatting scheme. Template:Tf/e

If this was module based... hmmm ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Ditto bar

I saw you’re using the {{ditto}} template on Page:The Common Birds of Bombay.djvu/16. If you’re interested, I just created a new template {{ditto bar}} which replaces the whole width of the ditto’d word by a line. Example:

  • Hirundo fluvicola
  • Hirundo— — — rustica

Cheers. χchi (talk) 13:40, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Index:Women of Ohio; a record of their achievements in the history of the state (Vol. I).djvu

Hey there. You noted on Index:Women of Ohio; a record of their achievements in the history of the state (Vol. I).djvu that the OCR was misaligned. I posted a comment to Scriptorium requesting help. Any suggestions on how to fix it? I transferred the .djvu directly from Internet Archive. Preliminary evidence suggests the OCR alignment problem also exists in File:Women of Ohio; a record of their achievements in the history of the state (Vol. II).djvu and File:Women of Ohio; a record of their achievements in the history of the state (Vol. II).1.djvu. Thanks. -Animalparty (talk) 17:52, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Animalparty: - Hmm - I wonder if it's a systemic problem then. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:53, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

thanks button feels cheap

I never used a "thank" button before. It felt cheap, especially for what I used it for.... --RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:17, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

The Devil's Pool

All the header fleurons are uploaded and placed into the text. So, when you finish proofreading (which should be soon), the book can be added as a "New Text". --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:52, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Feel free to do so when I've finished adding the text..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:54, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

  Done Thanks for doing one of George Sand's novels. This is the first and (thus far) only one of her works we have on the English Wikisource. For an important French write, it's surprising we didn't already have some of her novels. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:04, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Much appreciated if you could look over some of my recent efforts on other works.. Despite proofreading carefully, I am sure there will be a few transpositions and so on I am not always going to catch. In fact if I got 100% on a proofread I'd be very worried.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

off by one djvu files

Index:Bird-Lore 02.djvu is a home-spun file. I have adjusted the script (I think -- libdjvu uses 1 but my script uses 0 is the problem I fixed). Have you ever seen a djvu file reuploaded into the same namespace and used successfully?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:30, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes. If it's uploaded as an update at Commons certainly.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 06:19, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

template construction, heh

I am sorry, I move the args around. I start with the layout template but then I move things around according to the ease at which my script can acquire the arg. So, while [[Book title]] might be the first thing in the markup, it is not clear how to get to the book title from the image without manually including it. And, it is not always used that often. So, in the args, book title moves toward the end of the list.

I guess what I need is 24 hours for the templates to settle.

I would have kept writing it, but my eyes were not voluntarily staying open for me to do so.

The templates should all start with the same information and in the same order, somewhat. So, that is the good news.

I would like to do the regular book at the same while. This is where I run into problems using wikimedia space and tools as a WYSIWYG. I need to learn some new software so I can check my djvu to see if the pages match.

The images you are using from the flickr feed are really very nice. If I had just run into this project and saw that page, I would have left the project to a good artist. And spied some.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:04, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Also, do you know of a way to validate templates? I really appreciated the layout that was left there.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:17, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
The Flickr set isn't complete though.. you might want to ask the uploaders about that. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:42, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

when files are deleted while you are editing....

Oops! Is there a way to mark when a file is on the short list for deletion? I looked at the watchlist or somesuch and saw that a file might have been deleted perhaps while you were editing it. I am very sorry. I think that could be a disturbing thing....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:33, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Not sure on this ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


This template has multiple if statements, and so is likely to add a tremendous template burden for long transclusions such as on The Sikh Religion, where the first section will be more than 100 pages. I also see no need for using tables when a simple <div> will do everything with far less work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:41, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

That's fair. I'll revert then.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:49, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for cleaning up my clutter, resulting from my poor initial naming practices of Oregon Historical Quarterly volumes and articles. It's something I had meant to get back to, but never figured out a good way to attack it. I'm not sure whether or not you got everything, or how to most easily determine that; if you're able to give me any pointers, I'd be happy to work on completing the task. -Pete (talk) 17:28, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

template is a hot dog?

Do you have an opinion on using template parameters to build an image name? (here) --RaboKarbakian (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I suggest you ask someone else in Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help‎‎, apparently there are some standards about keeping templates simple. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
About simple and templates here. (I am just sounding off, ignore if you like.) The people I started my internet life and somewhat my computer life with abhorred curly brackets. They expressed their abhorrence in many languages, script syntaxæ, and text editor replacement notation. I assumed there had to be at least a little truth to it and avoided them. This caused me to avoid script-fu early, which later I continued to avoid out of habit when they removed the curly brackets there. In the kernel, if you don't remove all of the curly brackets, you will find yourself sharing the software with some game panel or another. And always wondering about that. So, all of that avoidance has led to this. Curly bracket hot-dogging for no purpose whatsoever.
I do have two questions. <center> my true love here, as it always works and doesn't interfere with anything and is simple. Is it html4?
It's NOT HTML 5, you should be using text-align:center and margin: variants in CSS on appropriate elements, ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 02:19, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Is asking a look-up at wikicommons of the category too much? --RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:16, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Help? TOC style?

I am very astounded at the beauty of this index. A feeling that quickly/easily moved into confounded when I looked at Template:TOCstyle.

I am here asking a style recommendation for this. 2 lines, first right and left aligned, 3rd line a centered description. I think my problem for finding the style I need is my limited understanding of the words. I fully intend to follow whatever advice you decide to provide once my eyes are uncrossed.... --RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:22, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Have a look at page 10, It should be reasonably straightforward, If not come back and ask again :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much! Per row styling at the beginning. I might get it someday. The word beauty has been used for many things. I wish I had reserved it for this. I am tempted to peek at the source, but my eyes were just uncrossed.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:16, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Eyes, please! Page:The Book of the Aquarium and Cater Cabinet.djvu/12 I was unable to cause the description to negative text-indent without affecting the page number. AND anything else you find. If you need 5 or 6 days of frustrating work done, let me know as you must have saved that many for me. May whatever you believe in shower you with things you think are good.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
@RaboKarbakian: I fix'd it up for you. It was a different option to the template that fix'd the TOC. JustinCB (talk) 17:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

divs and staying ahead of the bots

A bot made this change so I made this change. And for your question (Solves immediate issue, but was this DIV meant to be wrapped around the rest of the template code?) I needed a mark on the page at where a new plant starts and section doesn't work via templates. Further, I make no claim to know how to do things here.... --RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:19, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

layout in cl-act-p

I think the problem you were having with your experiment is that I confused you about the layout argument to my cl-act-p template. "layout=rlpage" is for a "layout=left" page in a "layout=right" transclusion, and "layout=lrpage" is for a "layout=right" page in a "layout=left" transclusion. JustinCB (talk) 15:20, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I've finished the lua wrappers for all my templates(which I think are all that there were originally), so now all we need to do is comprehensively test the templates via transclusion & invoking, & debug &c. JustinCB (talk) 16:02, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm getting some warnings when editing, but I think that's just lintHint being confused by our wikisource namespaces, & they go away in view(except when I'm looking at the /s templates, but those are supposed to throw a warning). JustinCB (talk) 16:05, 22 June 2018 (UTC)


Are the cl-act templates working correctly after this latest round of changes? JustinCB (talk) 20:53, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

I'll check carefully in the morning... It's around 10pm local time here. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:06, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
So far nothing looks broken..
but the c variant still isn't seeing a layout parameter: Page:Life_Annuities_Act_1808_(ukpga1808142).pdf/2, The chnages are presumably intended to ensure stuff is being fully decoded. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:09, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
And checked this morning, /c variant is working - CongratulationsShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:48, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
What now? Do I copy your documentation then write what's new? JustinCB (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
My documentation was on the now deleted {{cl-act-paragraph}} version, but essentially yes. Assuming all the intended features have been implemented. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
I've implemented all of it, so now all that's needed is to move the templates & documentation to their proper places, & fix up the documentation to reflect the current versions. I'll start that tomorrow, tho because it's about 8pm now. JustinCB (talk) 23:51, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Does everything seem to still be working & is the (incomplete) documentation reasonable? You can, of course, check it out in the morning, but it's real late here but almost morning for you. JustinCB (talk) 03:47, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
So far based on the test cases, and my extended examples I am not seeing any major concerns yet.. but there will also be a woodworm somewhere...;) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:18, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Is the documentation right & complete? If so, I think the templates may be ready for a stress-test & the judgement. JustinCB (talk) 16:45, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
I think the documentation is complete. Can't think of way to stress test it all though.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:36, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
But I still need to handle the {{cl-act}} family anyways. Do you think a template family written partly in lua & partly in template is reasonable anyways? JustinCB (talk) 00:14, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes. Generally if the core is Lua, and the other templates are wrappers.. But up to you.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:16, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Low quality book

Pfft! It is a low-quality book! Perhaps hand-scribbed <--I have no idea what the word is for a huge penmanship exercise, perhaps carved and then smelted fonts at a crude level. I KNOW!! Lets get that piece of hand made crap on a scanner again and put more stresses on its spine if they even knew how to stitch one of those things! I am unable to set that on Index pages. I don't mind that I don't have access to that toggle, but please reconsider!

Re-uploading the same with the existing djvu, that would be nice to have permission to do. Index:A curious herbal volume 1 blackwell.djvu and Index:A curious herbal volume 2 blackwell.djvu--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:11, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

The issue here is that the DVJU process did not produce quality scans.. If these came from, there should be JPG or TIFF scans that would be better for the purposes of rebuilding a new higher quality scan set... I will however re-consider ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay. I only peeked at these books, my too good to be true alarm was going off. And that first snarky paragraph was about what I thought I saw.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:23, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
The font style on the index page is a bit like handwriting tho isn't it? The scans look pretty low quality: where'd they come from? JustinCB (talk) 00:20, 9 July 2018 (UTC) I think , but this is REALLY old book if you asking about the original 00:22, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Wayside and woodland blossoms

I was writing about this in other places, but -- the images I uploaded to the commons are from a different scan than the one being used here.

It is four color printing (I think) and there is not that much difference between the two scans with the exception of work done previously. If I had looked at the MSN I would have picked the other one because I am a snob like that and would be needing a reason. Instead, I chose the one with the lighter background because it is easier to work with as long as the main colors are not washed out -- which is a challenge with 4 color printing. And I switched. I am a big mess here already. I got better, I got pickier, the software got way better in one really different way. Well, not in a big way but in a consistency way.

Do you have any ideas? I really love the Edward Step books. They work very well in all of my worlds. They are about more than the pretty flowers but also about the ways that seeds get scattered. A weed here, for instance, is Rosa speciosa <--might be misspelled. Some of the hybrid roses which produce seeds inside of the delicious to birds fruits are scattered via digestive systems all over our forgotten, protected and ignored lands here and what comes up is probably the parent, Rosa speciosa or Rosa canina. They are beautiful.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:13, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Using the images from one set of scans because they look better, is okay. provided they are the same images, just different printings. As long as it's clear in the metadata. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:15, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
I've done some of that myself on Bible (Coverdale). Maybe that transcription might be interesting to you? JustinCB (talk) 00:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
I have a very long list of interesting projects before I can consider doing new stuff. ;) Religious works with one exception aren't generally my thing. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:31, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Index:Asiatick Researches Vol 1.djvu


I'm picking through the Category:Index - File to fix and taking care of the easy stuff (page removals, mostly). On Index:Asiatick Researches Vol 1.djvu, you added this note: "Binder note inserted between pp. 482 and 483". I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this -- is this a page that should be removed from the file?

Thanks, Mukkakukaku (talk) 05:01, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Mukkakukaku: Nope - Ideally it should be moved to the end, (it should be roated in any instance). It should be retained so that it can be used as check on where (and which image) plates should appear in the work. Thanks for the effort in reducing the backlogs.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:29, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


Réflexion solution action MennaB01 (talk) 00:22, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

fancy index problem

How does one bury the right floated Page in the head space in your fancy index engine?

Also, have you seen the table of contents generated by the engine on any ereaders?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:24, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Your secret please

Hi. Began to work on this book on which you did some initial work, and curious to learn how you knew which are the image pages before their creation? May I know your secret? — Ineuw talk 17:11, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Nothing special, I just examine the pages in a binary search pattern, comparing them against the expected values. (coupled with a list of illustrations if one was present in the scans..)ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:33, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, but what tool are you using for the binary search pattern?— Ineuw talk 01:11, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
No tools, involved, I do it with nothing more than the default Wikiosurce proofreading interface, and browser tabs in Firefox. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:59, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Index:Mr. William Shakespeare's Comedies, Histories, & Tragedies (1623).djvu

The page you have shown as missing is a case of misnumbering, not missing. See the first word of next page, "Then", given in the footer of page 46, which matches with page 49. Also see the facsimile edition: Page:Shakespeare - First Folio Faithfully Reproduced, Methuen, 1910.djvu/376. Hrishikes (talk) 13:37, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I was erring on the side of caution, but thanks for checking.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Index:Acts of the Parliament of India 1953.pdf

Can you please explain how this file needs fixing? Hrishikes (talk) 15:42, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@Hrishikes: Well the page numbering in the scans seems to be all over the place for starters, If this is a printing issue please LMK. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:44, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
It is not one continuous book. I got the laws from different Gazette issues and stitched them together. The TOC was my creation. I had to do so because the Law Ministry site has the wrong volume in the 1953 slot. Hrishikes (talk) 15:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Okay.. I'll take another look.. BTW I would suggest taking another look at the mid 1940's scans as well, I found some of them unreadable due to scan quality. You may want to find alternate sources..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

White Paper on Indian States

Added the title page for 1950 ed. Had to hunt for the same. Now the colored maps at the end, for both 1948 and 1950 eds., need to be added. Probably available in the HathiTrust scans ( and I have requested Mahir for the same, who has access. These are historic volumes, describing how the native princely states, comprising 48% of Indian land, had merged with India after Independence. Hrishikes (talk) 03:27, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@Hrishikes: Can't access any of them on HathiTrust; the 1950 White Paper on Indian States and the White Paper on Hyderabad are in my university's library, however, so I will see about getting a hold of them at some point to scan. Mahir256 (talk) 03:50, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Cavalier Playing Cards

Did you see this? Cavalier Playing Cards I saw the images at the commons.

My vote is to have two different versions. d:Q19027574 and d:Q59767732

(I actually lost more detail than I like in these....)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 08:14, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@RaboKarbakian: Yes. The most recent is scan backed though, and I noted both on the relevant Author: page. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:15, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, the old set is a 1916 version. Fairly well documented at the commons.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 08:18, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

The History of Ink

You and BD2412 did so many of the new pages at The History of Ink! I'm chagrinned. It was taking me a half hour for each!

It felt like someone had dumped a pile of parts on the floor and announced that there were three auto transmissions in that pile - Mercedes, Ford, and Mazda - and would you please put them together perfectly! Wow. Shenme (talk) 06:21, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


Hi and happy new year,

I've noticed you often build pagelists. I don't know if you have some trick for doing it efficiently, or if you just find it less mind-numbing than I do. Any chance you could turn your attention to Index:Portland, Oregon, its History and Builders volume 1.djvu? I can do it myself, but it's not my favorite thing, so I thought I'd check! -Pete (talk) 22:52, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I should add this -- from my perspective, I wouldn't worry too much about v2 or v3. As far as I can tell, this series was a bit of a moneymaking scheme. The first seems to be a pretty straightforward history, but v2 and v3 look like pay-to-play "who's who" type books. Maybe a little value for the portraits, but personally I don't plan on spending much time transcribing them any time soon. -Pete (talk) 23:29, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Wow, thanks for all your help on this! -Pete (talk) 01:04, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Macbeth text

I appreciate the effort, but tables don't replicate the page layout, and converting what you've done to CSS (as planned) is more difficult with all the superfluous table markup than it would have been from the raw OCS. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:04, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Okay, Thanks for the revert then, if you had a cleaner strategy. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:18, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Take a look at Macbeth (1918) Yale/Appendix C, for example. I've finished there. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:24, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Index:Rootabaga Pigeons by Carl Sandburg.pdf

Fixed. Hrishikes (talk) 10:31, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Time and Tide Contents

I have succeeded in getting the descriptions indented to the right while failing to get them to get the hanging indent to work on this page. I had quite a lot of tutoring from AuFCL, (who seems to have dropped out after some blow up?) and have been trying things he had suggested as solutions to previous challenges. But I don't really know what I am doing :). Here are the conversations I had with AuFCL. I also have a complicated schema for using TOCstyle for Tables of contents in my Proofreading guide I don't know if these are helpful, but if you have any suggestions of how to get that darn hanging indent to work, I would very much appreciate it. My poor head is sore. Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 07:13, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

@Zoeannl: Used a CSS tweak to do it. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:12, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Meat for Thrifty Meals

I have started validating the text. I will be able to add more pictures soon; however, I am not the most adept at image formatting, and the text does not appear to transclude properly. I hope that you will be able to help in that regard. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:08, 25 January 2019 (UTC).

@TE(æ)A,ea.: Please explain were you think the text didn't transclude properly. I am not seeing any issues. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:29, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
  • The images at pp. 15 and 17 were overlapping on non-mobile view, and my attempt to space the images using {{dhr}} doesn’t work on mobile view. In general, the images need a single, standardised form in which they can be viewed correctly in transclusion. I am not aware of any such method, although I believe that that of p. 15 would work if it were in some manner applied on p. 17. I had attempted this, but it caused numerous problems. If there is anything else that I can do to remedy this, especially in regards to the method in which the images are created, do mention that task. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:44, 25 January 2019 (UTC).
  • @TE(æ)A,ea.:. The problem is thus the templates, I've asked for a better solution in Wikisource:Scriptorium/HelpShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:46, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I’ve validated all pages that had not already been validated, excluding those with existing problems (i. e., missing or incorrectly formatted images). Whilst I might be able to create more images at a later time, I will not be able to for a few days. if they are created, or the other images are correctly formatted, in that time, tell me, and I will proofread or validate those pages as well. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:11, 26 January 2019 (UTC).

Another question

  • I have had some trouble determining whether to use <sub /> or {{x-smaller}} for the reference numbers in this work. As the “Glossary” section, which I have not yet completed, has a number of instances of these reference numbers, I would like someone more experienced with template usage to help me here. I thank you in advance. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 13:31, 26 January 2019 (UTC).
{{X-smaller}} looks fine to me..., also {{tl}} may be useful if you want to mention template names in the future.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:34, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Index:The Hindu Pantheon.djvu

Please recheck. Hrishikes (talk) 12:02, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

  Done @Hrishikes: 12:11, 29 January 2019 (UTC)


  • I’d be happy to work on the work, although it will take me a while, as there are a lot of table entries. If you wouldn’t mind, could you work on Aleriel? It seems an interesting work, and you are very capable at creating “proofread” pages that I could easily check. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:17, 29 January 2019 (UTC).

page numbering


The period behind the "adv" was the/a problem?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:28, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes. It breaks the page numbering script. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:29, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Good to know. Thanks! --RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:39, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

@RaboKarbakian: I mentioned this at least 4 years ago, and got told of raising the issue of the lack of robustness in the script concerned, I asked a set of SPECFIC questions about pagelist formatting, and did not get an adequate response, at that time,I still haven't) (see- Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2016-01#Entries_in_pagelists, other than a generic advisory about not using non alphanumeric characters.

The correct approach would be to amend the page numbering script so it escapes (I.E uses HTML entities) for non letter/number characters, but there seems to be a justified reluctance to introduce that complexity into the script concerned ( which is buried in the Mediawiki namespace) on the part of certain maintainers, who seem to think it's upto indivdual contributors to conform input to what the script expects rather than trying to make the script understand what contributors are actually trying to use, and also expecting contributor to understand the technical minutiae of why stuff is breaking in advance. (Sigh)

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:29, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Do it yourself

Would you be interested in an admin nomination? I think you're ready to handle things like Special:LonelyPages on your own :) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 23:44, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Nice thought, but I'm nowhere near ready for an admin nomination yet, I've still got a tendency to get "frustrations" when tracking down technical issues, like with complex templates , or transclusion interactions, hence I have a strong view that there would be other admins that would have very justified objections that I lack technical expertise. Also with some actions, I like to have a 2-step process.
As an aside, you might want to look at some of the templates I've recently created, with respect to an attempt to partition some of the problem Index pages. Many of those are issues, that would ultimately need not only admin action (which I feel I lack technical expertise in), but also offline actions as there isn't a wiki based interface for amending djvu files without needing a download->repair->reload cycle (And knowledge of the djvu command line tools.). A tool for making/repairing djvu files from within the Mediawiki or Labs interface would be very useful (Something I perhaps could have asked for in the Community Tech Wishlist)... ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Chertkov - Last Days of Tolstoy

If the DjVu file had been uploaded here prior to deletion, the work done on this book could be salvaged. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:19, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Depends on the status. If it was deemed copyvio at commons, it's probably also problematic in life+70 countries like the UKShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:31, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
But this was published in 1910, and so is out of copyright in the US. For en.WS, that's all that is necessary. Commons runs by different rules. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:35, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Ah Okay then, yes, a local upload would have been justified, but I couldn't be the one doing the upload.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:36, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
I've inquired at Commons. If I can at least determine (a) where the file originated, and (b) whether that copy was fine as it was, or had to be edited, I may be able to perform the upload. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:40, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

That Tidy pagelist for "On the Republic"

Hello, you deleted some things I made in this pagelist. One thing were the roman numbers next to some page numbers, that was to indicate when each book starts. Is that not appropiate? I want to know the answer. The second thing were the "empty" styles to individual pages. I put them on blank pages, so that one would know that there is nothing on them. What are the cons of doing that? -- Genesis Bustamante (talk) 14:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

@Genoskill: Page numbers are numeric or roman, bracket characters confuse the page numbering script. This work already had a Table of Contents. Blank pages are typically marked with a "-" or "–" character, not as empty.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:35, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean by bracket characters? Also, would it be fine, then, if I mark the blank pages with "–" right now? -- Genesis Bustamante (talk) 15:12, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Bracket charcters are "(",")" "{" "}","[","]","{{","}}","[[","]]" and marking the blanks as you directed would be fine. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:15, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

style skills I don't have

I have been given credit for this edit:

I did not do this. You probably can do this so I am accusing you of it. Did you do that and if so, can you fix Page:Motoring Magazine and Motor Life January 1915.djvu/21?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 22:00, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Not me ethier... I don't recall it ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:10, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Index:The Indian Antiquary Vol 2.djvu

Added the missing pages. I doubt whether the missing image exists. It is not present in this scan. Hrishikes (talk) 04:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Why are you stating that placeholders are in place? That is true for the image only, not the previously missing pages. Hrishikes (talk) 14:29, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Your BIG Project

Hi, For when you're back:

It's RhinosF1, Per our discussion on IRC, would you mind giving me a bit more information on what your project for WikiSource Is?

See you soon and welcome back,

RhinosF1 (talk) 20:23, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@RhinosF1: Page:Cassell's Illustrated History of England vol 1.djvu/14 Start here.. Essentially the big project is all volumes of this, but as start could be made on getting the first completed volume perfect. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: I don't think checking book transcripts is the kind of thing I'm interested in. RhinosF1 (talk) 09:31, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


Hi. I am not writing because you did something wrong (which you did not), but only to ask for something. I believe that it is generally better not to interfere in the work of others unless they make mistakes or do not know how to do things. Hrishikes was so kind to help me with uploading a work and I started preparing the author's page (Jan Herben) when I suddenly found out that you had founded it meanwhile. Not only that I did some (not much) work unnecessarily, but I was also slightly disappointed, because founding author's pages is a sort of bonus (at least for me) amongst the tiring proofreading work. So I just decided to aks you, if you could wait longer or until I ask for help before you interfere next time. Thank you very much for understanding and I wish you to have a nice day. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 08:41, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Jan.Kamenicek: Thanks for letting me know about the editing conflict. Do you know anything about the translator of the work concerned? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:53, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes, she was the wife of Czech writer Jan Havlasa. I have some information about her, so I am going to found both the page here and at Wikidata :-) --Jan Kameníček (talk) 10:56, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Index:The Mythology of All Races Vol 3 (Celtic and Slavic)

Hi. I have noticed you were proofreading Index:The Mythology of All Races Vol 3 (Celtic and Slavic).djvu, but the Slavic part has not been transcluded yet. Is it because some problem occurred or was it just abandoned for a lack of time? If the latter is true, I can do it some time. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 12:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@Jan.Kamenicek:, Feel free. Wikisource is a collaboration. Generally I don't do the transclusion until someone else has validated. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:11, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
I see. I asked just because collaboration also includes being informed about the other's intentions before interfering :-) So if you do not mind, I will transclude it when I have some time. It has been waiting for validation for a couple of years and I personally do not feel like validating it at the moment. At the same time it seems to be a pity to leave it only in the page namespace. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 19:19, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Question on KAL801 report

Hey, I've been proofreading and adding the Korean text to some of the transcript pages at Index:KAL801Finalreport.pdf and setting them to proofread, but I saw a few pages later on with no Korean that were also marked problematic, so I just wanted to check—is the Korean the only problematic thing or am I missing anything? —Nizolan (talk) 13:54, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nizolan: I think I marked the whole section as problematic for layout reaasons.. You are correct that the only missing text is the Korean kanji(?) portion. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


Thanks for your help with tables. On pages like, for example, Page:The South Staffordshire Coalfield - Joseph Beete Jukes - 1859.djvu/191, is it possible to add some white space to the left of the table, as in the orginal? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:07, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Caption formatting

Hi, I see from your edit summaries that I have created some bad code for a number of image captions which contain both right-justified and centered text. Can you suggest a better way to do this, ideally using the {{FI}} template? I'd like to know how to handle this kind of formatting going forward. -Pete (talk) 18:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't have an obvious solution for this, ask on the Scriptorium ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:15, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Split table

I'm minded to combine the two parts of the table on South Staffordshire Coalfield - 176, omitting the carried/ brought forward rows, with a user annotation noting that that has been done. Do you think anyone would object? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:46, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Given that I'd already done shifted the rows on a table elsewhere to make the bracing work peroperly- feel free. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:55, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
OK, done. Thanks again for all your help with this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:26, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

{{rule}} color

Hi. Just pointing out your recent change to this template almost certainly does not do what you intended. Specifying the color attribute on a <hr> changes no visible property. Perhaps you meant to change background-color, in which case I recommend in addition setting border-color to the same value to cater for more general cases where… (and a rabbit-hole opens up which you probably don't really want to investigate!) 09:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh dear! What I meant was this:
<hr style="{{#if:{{{color|}}}|border-color: {{{color}}};}} background-color: {{{color|#000}}}; color: #000; width: {{{width|{{{1|auto}}}}}}; {{#switch:{{{align}}}|left=margin: 2px auto 2px 0px|right=margin: 2px 0px 2px auto|#default=margin: 2px auto 2px auto}}; {{#if:{{{height|}}}|height: {{{height}}};}} {{#if:{{{style|}}}|{{{style}}};|}}" /><noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude>
In other words, only assert border-color if color chosen, and set background-color to #000 (black) otherwise. Hope this is a bit clearer? 10:27, 19 June 2019 (UTC)


The table on The South Staffordshire Coalfield/Coal... is broken at [226]]; I've tried to fix it, to no avail. Please can you take a look? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:17, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Bird Life Salter


thanks again for help with Index:Bird Life Throughout the Year (Salter, 1913).djvu.

Concerning the illustrations: it is not quite clear who made which illustration. But for instance w:en:Oliver G. Pike, who was one of them, only died in 1963. I did not yet check the other illustrators that are mentioned. This might cause a copyright problem. What can we do about that? Leave the illustrations out, for now, for instance?

We might ask @User:Pigsonthewing (he created the article on Pike on en-wiki).

--Dick Bos (talk) 10:10, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, That might cause a problem... You can insert a "Removed for copyright reasons" page if needed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:28, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
I can't add anything, sadly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:27, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Editing chapter headers

How do you edit chapter headers, like the one at The Life of the Spider/The Labyrinth Spider? Kaldari (talk) 21:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

By editing them in the TOC, the headers are automaticly generated... or use an override I think, see my query in the Scriptorium..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:26, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
And I made them look nicer by updating the TOC for you :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:43, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, that's a big improvement! Kaldari (talk) 04:07, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Statutes at Large etc.

In answer to the second question you asked on my talk page: If you want to identify editions of the statutes, I suspect that the best starting point would be to look at professionally published legal bibliographies, or books about statute law or official publications. If I remember correctly, there are editions of 'Statutes at Large' by Owen Ruffhead (1763), Charles Runnington (1786), John Raithby, George Kettilby Rickards, Christopher Rawlinson, Danby Pickering, Thomas Edlyne Tomlins (who have WP articles), John Cay (who should have one), and Barker (1587). There is also 'The Statutes of the Realm', published by the Record Commission, and a number of annual volumes called 'Public General Acts', 'Public General Statutes', 'Local and Personal Acts'/'Statutes'(?) etc. There might be other such books. That being said, it isn't possible to do English law with statutes alone. It is also necessary to have law reports and what are called "books of authority" (including the abridgements of the year books), and probably the older abridgements and digests up to Viner. It is also necessary to have reports of the decisions of American and at least some commonwealth courts, and also Roman law (especially Justinian), because these things have persuasive authority in England. It would in my opinion be particularly desirable for Wikisource to have (in addition to the above types of work) general works such as legal encyclopedias, legal bibliographies, law dictionaries, legal periodicals, case law digests and revised and annotated statues. James500 (talk) 09:13, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Certain works by Sir Edward Coke as well. The Ruffhead edition was the one I'd found at If you are able to find Runnington's edition feel free to suggest that as a long term project. Although not current, out of copyright editions of Halasbury's would probably bridge the gap between the 1700's and 1900's. Anything post c. 2000 is on though. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:19, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
We have Halsbury's Laws of England (First Edition). So far, only one volume is uploaded and I can't upload the scans or create index pages myself. I have managed to partially correct about twenty pages of text, but it is a big job that could probably do with extra hands. James500 (talk) 09:51, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Are you able to do bigorpahical researches ? , to identify the contributors? The volume is PD-US, but it's not clear what it's UK status is copyright is, unless the contributors can all be identified. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:09, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Statutes of the Realm , assuming a clear scan and status version was available is definitely something that should be on Wikisource (given that it was supposed to be nominally definitive ), I am slightly embarrassed of course that I had to use an American archive source for the Ruffhead edition. English law is something that should ideally be available from UK sources, but in my experience finding UK sources for it that are online scans, isn't easy.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:23, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

File:The Discovery of a World in the Moone, 1638.djvu

It was me that uploaded the replacement file because, despite the note on the index page saying the file was OK but had printing errors in page numbers, the original file wasn't OK. It contained four duplicate page scans and some of the pages were in the wrong order. I downloaded the PDF off IA, edited it accordingly, converted to DJVU and uploaded the new version with the same file name in Commons. The nett effect was to reduced the page count from 242 to 238.

I am in the process of trying to 'sort out the mess' by transferring text to correct pages. However, in some cases, the incorrect image is displayed. For example, everything up to page 55 (page list on the index page) appears to be OK. Page 56 has the correct transcription text (which I did) but it displays the image of page 54 when the page opens but if I click the 'image' tab, it shows the image of page 56. Same thing happens on page 57 (page 55 image displayed, 'image' tab gives page 57). It seems that the transcribed pages are linked to the images in the original version of the file.

Since I caused this issue, I am quite happy to fix it but I can't figure out how to break the link with the old file (if that is what the problem is). I've tried changing page status, etc but nothing seems to work. If someone can explain how to fix it, as I say, I'm happy to do so - I just need some advice. Chrisguise (talk) 19:24, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Cache issue I think..
Also - Page:The_Discovery_of_a_World_in_the_Moone,_1638.djvu/97 , seems to have a entire passage missing compared to the Google version..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes

If you do not want the extra page numbers, you shouldn't use extra sections on pages: transclude only one section per page, containing all needed content.

Also, you may want to do something with Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes/Chronological Table/41Geo3 and Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes/Chronological Table/41Geo3-UK (refer them both here or merge).Ankry (talk) 12:48, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

They are split, because the numbering reset, between the two sequences. I've updated 60Geo3, If you want to move it to a different title feel free. From this point the section labels are year based if I recall correctly.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:59, 6 July 2019 (UTC)


Hello ShakespeareFan! I appreciate your help with proofreading the book I'm working on. However, I've been going through and validating the pages that you proofread and many of them still have numerous OCR errors. For example, this page still had 9 errors after it had been proofread by you. This was especially surprising since all of the errors were the sort of errors that you said were easier to detect with the Bedstead font that you're using. I was wondering if maybe you could specifically look for that sort of error in the future (incorrectly capitalized I's) if you're planning on doing any more proofreading or validating for The Life of the Spider. Thanks for your consideration. Kaldari (talk) 02:21, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

That was something I was going to have another look atShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:18, 10 July 2019 (UTC)


Hi. I've just noticed your edit comments on this template. It does indeed have only one very specific usage: it makes it easier to enter what is quite repetitive and fiddly formatting for the US Statutes at Large, certainly for Volume 33 - possibly for other volumes also. I wrote it because the ratio of section formatting to actual textual payload is pretty high, particularly in the Private Acts, which are mostly only 4-5 lines long! Historically, once I've perfected the Template parameters, I have then :subst ed the result to deliver plain text, which is why it is currently only used on one page. If you have ambitions for a more flexible/complex template, be my guest, but not at the expense of the current basic functionality, please. Thanks. CharlesSpencer (talk) 10:56, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@CharlesSpencer: So what is the basic function supposed to be doing because it's generating bad HTML in the page it's currently transcluded, Namely that you have an unclosed paragraph. Did you actually mean to have a SPAN for the preamble and post-amble text?

The relevant page being Trading_with_the_Enemy_Act, Also the text margin for the first section/preamble should be aligned with the paragraphs after it shouldn't it? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:13, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

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CharlesSpencer (talk) 11:24, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
I must have double subst: ed in the past - the above is a whole iteration away from true plain text, but the section/chapter tagging and text/paragraph formatting should be clear even so. Don't know about its usage on Trading_with_the_Enemy_Act, and I'm afraid I don't know what an unclosed paragraph is! CharlesSpencer (talk) 11:31, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
in HTML paragrpah tags <P> and </p> (used to mark paragraph's of text, must be balanced with in a run of text. I.e If you have 2 opening P tags and only 1 close, then you have made a mistake, and browsers using strict evaluation and parsing of HTML will complain, or not render the markup correctly. The same is true for SPAN an DIV tags... Like brackets and braces in template code they have to be balanced. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
In your template, you have an opening P tag but no equivalent closing tag. This is badly formed HTML. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Understood. Thanks. I'll have a look at that.CharlesSpencer (talk) 11:49, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
@CharlesSpencer: A template that complicated should not be substed. I would suggest just transcluding it in the future as you would any regular template. Kaldari (talk) 13:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Isthmus of Krà


Would you be willing to work your table magic, please, on the four "problematic" pages on Index:Notes of a journey across the Isthmus of Krà.pdf? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:49, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I would if the page scans were actually loading, the PDF file might need to be 'flattened' out into a format that the Mediawiki handler doesn't barf on. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:53, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

They were loading for me, but no longer. Can you try the "image" tab? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:45, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
I could . ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:46, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


I want to tell you that I appreciate all the work you are putting in to this lint project. I think it's ridiculous that Wikimedia expects editors to care about this, but I'm glad you do. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:28, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

War and Peace

Could you please comment on WS:CV#Index:War and Peace.djvu to make clear which parts of TE(æ)A,ea.'s argument you agree with and which, if any, you disagree with? Since you two are, so far, the only participants in that discussion, the bits you agree on can then be considered resolved and we can spend our energy on finding a resolution for the parts there is actual disagreement on. It's been sitting unresolved for a month and a half and I would like to get it out of the backlog if possible. --Xover (talk) 09:39, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Index:Sacred Books of the East - Volume 11.djvu

Hi, Is this ready to proofread? Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 09:07, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

@Zoeannl: , Nope need missing pages added. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:10, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
@Zoeannl: -- File fixed. Hrishikes (talk) 01:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

article link roman nums

Hi -- how come you disabled the roman numeral volumes parameter in {{article link}}? I was using it in a couple hundred author pages and would prefer not to have to change them all! Levana Taylor (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

I didn't, please redirect your concerns to the user that disabled it. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:59, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Namely User:Billinghurst, All I changed was the documentation. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:00, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

2015 and 2018 Acts

Updated those two volumes. 2015: Act 23 corrigenda. 2018: Acts 7-8 corrigenda and Regulations 1-3. Hrishikes (talk) 16:42, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Constitution Orders

Part 1A: fixed. Part 1B: updated upto 2019. Hrishikes (talk) 08:19, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Index:Acts of the Parliament of India 2019.pdf

OCR layer is present, as far as I can see by random checking. Hrishikes (talk) 01:29, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Added Act 25. Also fixed SBE 11 (see above). Hrishikes (talk) 15:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
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